US says Russia has lost 315,000 troops in Ukraine, equivalent to 90% of invading force

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The report was de-classified and given & presented to Congress, and the Congress examined it. You are free to believe its some kind of conspiracy because they didn't post it in the internet. People believe everything is a lie and a conspiracy these days, and I can't fix that. I still have faith in our men and women in uniform, but it seems most people do not.

    Besides, there is a good chance this report can be found in the net, but you call it a conspiracy just because you failed to find it.

    I lived in Cinci. The metro population is over 2 million.
     
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  2. Bearack

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    Private companies are contracted through the Pentagon. That is their financial incentive to go into these hot zones. You can continue to polish that turd... however, the reality is the US government has been sending conscripts into war zones for decades.

    Pentagon Projected to Hand $407 Billion to Private Military Contractors This Fiscal Year
     
  3. conservaliberal

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    I never used the word, "conspiracy"... not even once. Instead, I said that putting out the 'punchline' from this unclassified report without providing the report itself was "bullshit". There's a big difference....

    Now, maybe my ability to search the internet is not as good as yours, so, please, do you know where to find a link to the actual text of the report? I've observed before that you are a credible, dependable source of information, so could you please help me out?

    Consider: 315,000 Russian casualties, in just over a year and a half? That's 50% more than the combined high-estimates for both atomic bomb blasts at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan!

    Link: https://thebulletin.org/2020/08/counting-the-dead-at-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/
     
  4. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    The Pentagon has my blessing to hire any subcontractors it wants wherever it wants.
     
  5. Bearack

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    Again, your original statement of "Not a drop of American blood shed on the battlefield." is emphatically inaccurate.
     
  6. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, there is no difference. If the US Intell went to Congress to deliberately lie aka commit perjury aka tell them "bullshit" stories, then it would be a conspiracy to mislead the Congress, and the American people.

    It will eventually be posted in FOIA CIA Reading room. Its down a lot, so you might have to try a number of times

    They lost more than that many during the Winter War in Finland, and it lasted only 3 months and 1 week. They lost 27 million during WW2. Think about that. They have a long history of NOT caring about losses.
     
  7. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    What's your point?

    You want to curtail the freedom of an employee of a private firm who wants to go fight in Ukraine?

    The US Army and a private company are two completely different things.
     
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    And who are your "military clients" in Ukraine.....as I have contact there too?

    Care to list them?
     
  9. conservaliberal

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    Thank you! Now I have this link for the FOIA CIA Reading room: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/home . You're right, when I went there and tried to do a search, I got: "The CIA.gov FOIA Reading Room is temporarily unavailable. We apologize for the inconvenience. Please try again later." But, it's more than I had....
     
  10. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The website is down a lot, so shame on them, but it does come up eventually. Also, I dont know how soon they are required to post the document there, but it will eventually show up.
     
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    You have military clients in Ukraine and your asking me to list mine on a public political forum?
    Yeah, I don't think so.
    Nobody that deals with anyone for military sales in Ukraine would do that.
    The fact you would even ask that verifies you aren't who you claim to be.
     
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    Well it seems there may be an end to this war.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-is-ready-talk-ukraine-2023-12-19/

    Wonder what terms Putin has in the making. By continuing to help Ukraine resist Russia, it certainly reduces Putin's influence in the area.
     
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    Hahaha.....OK...IOW you've got phuck all.

    Thanks for clarifying. :).
     
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    Really, then provide your list?
    I'll wait
     
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    Well...I would...do you want their names ,rank & serial #?

    I'll ask you to provide same?
     
  16. Arkanis

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    Putin has wanted to start talks several times now.

    But his conditions are unacceptable.

    He wants to keep the territories he has conquered and a neutral status for Ukraine.

    That's what he asked for before launching his troops...
     
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    Certainly possible, but willing to listen.
     
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    Well...we all know that Putina's word is for $hit.

    Keep territories and "neutral status" for Ukraine.

    IOW....reload, re organize, re group, and attack later....for the rest and beyond.
     
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    You are good with the US government waging war through private businesses? Regardless if they work for the US government or contracted through the US government, if US lives are being lost at the behest of our government, it's still American blood being shed on Ukrainian soil. All for financial gain!
     
  20. Arkanis

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    What is the US government doing in Ukraine that is so reprehensible?

    Show me evidences.

    For the rest, if any American decides to go and fight in Ukraine on his own or through a private firm, he has my blessing.

    But I'm against direct military intervention, for obvious reasons.
     
  21. Bearack

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    Where did I ever claim that the government is doing anything reprehensible in any of my previous post? You merely made an inaccurate claim I corrected.

    Granted, I do think our intervention in their elections and overthrowing of their elected government probably is the direct cause of so many Ukrainian and Russian and other foreign fighters lives being lost.
     
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    We don't deal with soldiers. We deal in aerial loitering munition provisions through GSA, foreign nationals, JSOC, SOCOM, and DOD providers.
     
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    500,000 Ukrainians soldiers dead .. another 1 Million wounded .. fed into what is called "The Meat Grinder" .. the Russian defensive line that Ukraine failed to break even once during the counter offensive .. wave after wave of human wave. .. over a proposition that was hopeless from the start .. this war just an arms show .. and a heck of a show it has been .. changing the fact of war .. big game change

    What is reprehensible is continuing the slaughter of Ukrainian people .. the human capital so depleted that women and 60 year old men are being pressed into service via press gangs roaming around .. Zelensky now wants 500,000 more conscripts to reconstitute his army for the 4th time - extend this thing for another 6 months .. assuming they can find some ammo for these not so willing nor trained conscripts.

    gonna be a rough winter in the Trenches -- the only warmth coming from a Russian Flame Thrower , Bomb, or artillery shell.
     
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    Impossible to know of this is true or not. The propaganda is strong on all sides right now.

    Astounding how willing the left is to believe propaganda lately. Anyone challenging their narrative is immediately "pro russia" lmao.

    Typical leftists. Facts don't matter, it's all feelings and name calling.
     
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  25. AmericanNationalist

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    Wait, you think the intel community doesn't lie to Congress? Let me give you the lowest hanging fruit: The hacking of the US Congress. By all accounts, the CIA if not involved, was heavily aware of the plot. but when questioned on it, Brennan was coy about it.

    https://www.econlib.org/tyler-interviews-a-liar/

    In addition to this, the compelling support for the spying programs, etc. I assure you, the intelligence community does lie and I wish it didn't. Our decision makers need them to be factual, soberly so in order to make decisions.
     
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