US to provide cluster munitions to Ukraine.

Russia still has the advantage. Putin doesn't need to negotiate peace terms. There's no way for Ukraine to win on the strategic level.

 

Russia hasn't got the advantage.....jeezuz f**king christ ....what wanker is telling you that crap..

What do you mean "Strategic"....if you mean the long term then Putin has already bolloxed up and bolloxed up large...the Ukrainian kinetic "go f**k yourself Mr. Putin" has already knackered any "strategic" whim Putin thought he could achieve...I mean bloody hell....NATO has expanded, the EU has coalesced around a common enemy (and that's a f**king achievement for the EU trust me) etc. etc. Ukraine can play the long game with the EU and maybe the US assisting them...your Russians mates with their banjaxed military and banjaxed economy are screwed 5 ways from Sunday.

neither does the lad Zelenskyy..... so the hurt of the 10 day special operation started by the 2nd Largest army in the world just gets better....

 

Have you been banned from Google?
03.06.2014 Cluster bombs. Carpet bombing of Luhansk. Ukraine, the southeast.

 

Tell me more about the GDP, dog groomers, and Facebook.

 

Yea... Pootin is a grownup in a grownup world... these silly game the US government has been playing with him and within our own communist run government to overthrow a duly elected president has worn thin.... Pootin will probably strike while the iron is hot.... the phrase "poking the bear" and the fake Russiagate hoax is adding up...

We live in the real world folks where they don't play games....
this pretty well says it all
https://www.daveschultz.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/coming-560x513.png

 

Human rights groups say that the use of cluster bombs in populated areas is a violation of international humanitarian law because they cause indiscriminate destruction. Sixty percent of cluster bomb casualties are people injured while undertaking everyday activities, according to Reuters. One third of all recorded cluster munitions casualties are children.

Up to 40% of the bomblets fail to explode which makes the song 'tip toe through the two lips' an everyday hazard for the locals...
https://www.icrc.org/en/document/cluster-munitions
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/06/what-are-cluster-bombs-biden-ukraine-russia

 

.....ah bless your cotton socks....go make yourself a cheese sarnie and hide under the stairs....oh and make a cuppa...everything's better with a cuppa tea.....you yanks are so melodramatic....

 

another 'yay! death!' thread

 

and have these same human rights groups written stiff letters to Mr. Putin expressing their utter indignation of just dashed naughty it was of him to invade another country.....bloody hell.....why is the world full of Russian UI's....jeezuz

 

Cluster bombs/shells tend to result in unexploded 'bomblets' that linger and cause a danger to civilians after the conflict has concluded in a similar way to mines.
RS22907 (congress.gov)

 

yeah......I might be wrong but I don't think the Russians give a crap.....might be wrong....??

 

Prolly not. But we should.

"There appear to be significant discrepancies among failure rate estimates. Some manufacturers claim a submunition failure rate of 2% to 5%, whereas mine clearance specialists have frequently reported failure rates of 10% to 30%. A number of factors influence submunition reliability. These include delivery technique, age of the submunition, air temperature, landing in soft or muddy ground, getting caught in trees and vegetation, and submunitions being damaged after dispersal, or landing in such a manner that their impact fuzes fail to initiate."

Most likely, the munitions are provided with a spec that indicates/contraindicates ideal conditions for deployment where the failure rate is closer to 1%, but in combat conditions, that spec is ignored, causing a higher failure rate that leads to heavy civilian casualties down the road.

We should care about civilian casualties regardless of whether or not the opposing force does too. ...if we're the 'good guys' anyway. If we're not, then what are we actually fighting for?

 

Ukraine will not be using cluster bombs on foreign soil like the Russian's are (with much higher defective cluster munitions). They will be using much more efficient cluster munitions on their on soil on the invading Russians. Seems fitting..................

 

The only reason Ukraine is not struggling is the munitions supplied by NATO.

 

Except for human wave attacks, not much reason for these munitions except to break them down and use them on drones.

 

Nato has run out of Artillery .. so they have to send something .. Cluster bomb are a poor substitute (and really nasty after the fact effects hence being banned by almost every nation on the planet) but better than nothing I suppose. Really pathatic from an ethical perspective though .. US the one crying out against the use of such weapons .. another "Do as we say - not as we do" foreign policy position.

 

aye...you can if you want....but the issue is whether the Ukrainians want them or not and whether they want to use them or not....you're a mere bystander on a chatsite huffing and puffing at the injustice of the Ukrainians fighting back against a Russian invasion of their country....reciprocity sucks huh

 

The U.S. has not run out of Artillery nor artillery rounds. Neither has NATO. The U.S. has never agreed to the ban on cluster munitions. They have always agreed that they should not be used on civilian targets. Putin uses cluster munitions on civilian targets since 1999.

 

Not when one side is already using them. The difference, as to your other concern, about unexploded munitions, is that these are only about 3% of the U.S. bombs, but reportedly as high as 40% of the Russians' cluster bombs.

 

amazing isn't it....and then coupled with all that you have the failure rates of the 1M plus Grad rockets/Russian MLRS and HE artillery rounds fired so far and the unguided fixed/rotary wing ordnance...grenades...anti personnel/tank mines etc etc etc....and and and....and then we have the yank snowflakes here getting all sweaty and worried about some cluster munitions on top of the millions of items of UXO in the east and south of Ukraine....PERSPECTIVE BOYS....!!!!!

 

Advantage in what?.....numbers?....

Putler doesn't need to negotiate peace terms?.....LOL.

OK,sure....when sanctions start tearing apart the RF.....Putler will be at the negotiating table ...fast....with pen & paper at the handy.

 

If you don't know, there' a holocaust going on behind Russian lines. Every weapon denied to the Ukrainians causes civilian casualties.

 

Apparently they have but why are you pretending someone said the US agreed to ban cluster munitions ? need to restrain that strawman fallacy Bob.

It is ture that the Azov Nazi's have been using Cluster munitions on civilian targets since 2014 . and the US uses cluster bombs too - on civilian targets "while agreeing they should not be used on civilan targets" .

Where was Russia using cluster bombs in 1999 ? Trying to remember what was going on then.

 

...hey Pod how's it going?

.....unleash themselves....I appreciate your first language isn't English so if I may.....I think the term in English you are looking for is "unhinge".....I think you meant to say...
"The use of cluster munitions by Ukraine and NATO against Russia would really unhinge the Russians"

You're welcome...

 

Provide the links where "Azov Nazis" used clusters since 2014?

Also....provide that list of 80 nations eager to join BRICs gifter...I tried finding...no dice. Maybe you have some backchannels no one else is aware......