US voices concern over UK exit from EU

We don't want you here, settler...

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You really hate Iran, don't you?

You should not base political outlook, on personal emotions...

 

You are guilty of doing exactly what my article posted above says you do as a Euroskeptic.

You blame the EU for failings of your own government and demonise it in order to abrogate your own responsibility.

 

Don't worry, I hold my Gov to account as well, and often, and vocally so.

But this is about the EU specifically.

There are those with valid and sound reasons to be a 'skeptic', you know.

I guess what our Greek member had to say, just passed you by, right?

The EU is not some god that is not open to question and rejection, for valid reasons.

 

Where did you get hate from? You called for banning on free press, a strong national defense force, isolation and insulation, imprisonment and punishment of political opponents etc

 

beg your pardon I meant settlements, though I sometimes wonder if it has been left so late that they should also be towards Israel because like it or not it is the Government of Israel who has always promoted settlement activity, giving better and better incentives.

http://www.dw.de/israel-lures-settlers-with-financial-incentives/a-16487892

In my opinion it has been quite immoral that the EU has been engaging in economics with settlements.

Norway doesn't seem to.

 

Iran is an Islamic theocracy in the ME.

Scotland is not.

There is a difference, but never mind, you bash on and refuse to see one...

 

If you held your own government responsible you wouldn't be blaming the EU. You would note that policies were made, such as in relation to the US as an ally, before the EU took form.

As for what "our Greek member had to say" is concerned, since I do not follow the nationalities of all our members and do not read every post, I trust that you will be willing to make a point in this regard.

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If you held your own government responsible you wouldn't be blaming the EU. You would note that policies were made, such as in relation to the US as an ally, before the EU took form.

As for what "our Greek member had to say" is concerned, since I do not follow the nationalities of all our members and do not read every post, I trust that you will be willing to make a point in this regard.

 

I agree with respect to the settlements. I understand that Israel's policies regarding settlements have varied from support to conflict. Pity Rabin was murdered and his intentions could not be realised.

Norway may not but the UK has a different relationship to the US.

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I know what Iran is. But your description of Scotland-a-la-Jack sounded similar.

 

Have you got hiccups?

The Greek member has the flag of Greece to denote...he is Greek.

He is well placed to speak about the many wonders of the EU.

I shall let him speak for himself, lest he sees this.

There is not reason why I cannot hold Gov and the EU accountable, for their actions, or inactions.

It does not need to be one or the other.

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Well, I could easily say your vision sounds like a dystopia, assocations with terrorist and racist states, putting writers into prison, all very Zion Nazi.

 

Jack not everyone spends the amount time on the forum that you do.

So perhaps not everyone is known to me.

Everybody is well placed to speak about the EU on a political forum.

If your favourite Greek shows up, I will be sure not to miss him.

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Except I have yet to specify my vision. But don't let that stop you from projecting

 

Obama and America have no legitimate interest in the actions of the UK regarding the EU. The obama administration should keep its mouth shut.

 

Precisely.

It's not like Obama has the US heading in a stellar direction, is it..?

 

Amerika is heading down a dead end street at 90 miles per hour. Amerika has nothing to teach any one.

 

I didn't say increase it. I said it needs reforming. In PRINCIPLE, the EU is a good thing. Extreme Tories and Murdoch want out and so does Jack, mmmm!!

 

agreed

The UK at the moment may be a groveling poodle to the US but it hasn't always been like that and to be honest I doubt if it is the US which is responsible for UK decisions. Cameron made his feeling clear when he called Gaza a Prison Camp at the beginning of becoming PM . Hague apparently got hell from 'Friends of Israel' when he made his feelings clear, and not in a particularly heavy way, about Cast Lead. I fear the reason for the British Government's position is probably more because, and this is particularly true of the Conservatives, they get their largest financing from Friends of Israel. Obviously whoever pays the piper.

Israel's main financial partners are, if I remember what I read only a few days ago, The US, China, Germany and then the UK. Money talks. In recession some people forget their morals. The current coalition will soon be replaced by Labour and Ed Miliband and that should be interesting.

For the Palestinians however, time is running out while Politicians play games.

Scotland would be free of this bribery and could make her own choices.

Denmark I know has at least marked her settlement goods so that people do not buy by mistake and is I think considering sanctions.

Germany has her own issues. It is made harder because of the blurring of the issue of the actions of the State of Israel and Jews in general.

I do think the EU attitude does show the current lack of democracy.

 

Your so called President degrades you all, and those behind him, all of them. They degrade you.

They degrade you as a nation, what hold, please tell me, what hold does a state of about 2.5million adults, mostly immigrants from Russia and Poland, have over your country, the UNITED STATES OF FREAKING AMERICA, that it has your congress, your sentate, your white house, all by the nuts?

What America is it that can hear it's own good men say, in regard to Israel 'We should not call them an ally, they tried to murder us, all hands on deck', and still they pay no mind?

What America is it who molest their own people at airports, yet give a free pass to these 'Israeli's', if they wish to fly in from Israel?

What has your election been reduced to, when the key point for both candidates...pleasing the tiny state from afar?

What America is it, certainly NOT the one I used to know, that would let a PM of such a state TELL IT what it's foreign policy should be, or remain silent when Netenyahu said 911 was GOOD...for Israel?

What is it, please spell it out to me, that they would NEED to do, before American found it's spirit?

 

Here is what to do.

Let the people vote.

In a referendum.

To keep it or scrap it.

What could be more fair..

 

Awkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! Amazing contribution.

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Awkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! Amazing contribution.

 

Britain out of the EU, and they can have Serbia to replace us..


'Stay for our sake': US urges Britain to remain in EU


Amid growing concerns that the UK may drop out of the EU, the Obama administration has publicly stated that it is in US interests to see Britain as part of the bloc. Many see the move as interference in the national debate.(Really? I am amazed)

The comments from Washington come days before British Prime Minister David Cameron is set to deliver a speech in which he is expected to promise to hold a referendum over Britain’s place in the 27-member bloc.

Philip Gordon, assistant secretary for European Affairs at the State Department, warned that there would be consequences for Britain if it quits the union or plays lesser role in it. (Warned? Don't go around issuing warnings, chum)

"We welcome an outward-looking European Union with Britain in it. We benefit when the EU is unified, speaking with a single voice, and focused on our shared interests around the world and in Europe. We want to see a strong British voice in that European Union. That is in the American interest," he said during a visit to London on Wednesday. (If it is in their interest, what better reason to do the opposite)

Washington officials have made similar warnings in private in recent weeks, but this marked the first time a named senior member of Obama’s government has spoken on the record about the risks posed by Britain’s EU-membership debate.

Cameron has been largely in favor of the UK staying within the EU, but believes there is a need to redefine the relationship in light of moves towards further integration by countries using the euro single currency. The premier suggested "fresh consent" for any new deal that emerges as a result of negotiations with other EU countries.

"The US wants an outward-looking EU with Britain in it, and so do we," a spokeswoman for the PM’s Downing Street office responded to the US comments, according to Reuters.

However, the opposition Labour Party's foreign affairs spokesman Douglas Alexander pointed out that the US comments raised concerns about Britain's role in Europe.

"There is today a real risk of Britain sleepwalking towards exit because of a prime minister motivated more by the need for party unity than by the interests of the country," he said.

Cameron’s deputy, Nick Clegg, says US concerns over Britain's EU membership are spot on.

“[Washington] is perfectly entitled to say ‘if you’re interested in the American perspective, we think Britain stands taller in the world if you stand tall in your own neck of the woods,'” Clegg told LBC radio.

It comes after anti-EU members of Cameron's ruling Conservatives demanded a new UK role inside the bloc, or a referendum on whether Britain should leave the Union altogether. Many MPs are calling for the premier to carry out a referendum on the question of whether the UK remains in the EU or not, a so-called ‘in-out vote,' which Cameron doesn’t support. (Why NOT?)

According to a Times poll in June, 82 per cent of people would like a referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Union. ComRes poll made for the Independent in December 2011 stated that 52 per cent of British people would agree that the eurocrisis provided an ideal opportunity for the UK to quit the bloc. Twenty-six per cent of Britons disagreed, while the remaining 22 per cent couldn’t agree or disagree. It should be pointed out that Conservative voters (58 per cent) were more likely than Labour (45 per cent) voters to agree that Britain should leave the EU.

Some argue that if Britain turns its back on the EU, its biggest trading partner, it may then compensate by drawing closer ties with the US.

Meanwhile, British business leaders have warned that a UK exit from Europe will leave it outside a possible future trade deal between the US and the EU.

American motivation

As Washington makes clear its view on the issue, many have accused the US of only looking out for its own interests.

“America wants Britain to stay in the EU because it only wants to deal with one centralized political state, not have the inconvenience of dealing with different democratic governments. Obama and the US Government couldn’t care less about our national interests or democratic rights. They just want an easy life,” British MEP Gerard Batten said on his website.(Hello are these words not speaking to you???)

And according to Batten, it’s time the UK ignored outside opinion and made its own decisions.

“Britain needs to be a truly independent country, not just from the EU, but from the USA as well. We need to start running our own country for our own benefit,” he said.

Germany has also joined the debate, warning Cameron not to ‘blackmail the rest of Europe.’ (Aye, whatever then, don't push it)

"You cannot create a political future if you are blackmailing other states. That will not help Britain. It needs a Europe that is stable. It needs markets that are functioning," the chair of Germany’s European affairs committee, Gunther Krichbaum, said in a statement.

Krichbaum said he is convinced that although all EU member states need each other, Britain would suffer more than the rest of the EU from its absence. He believes that Cameron’s expected referendum is a high-risk maneuver which is better left alone.

“There is certainly a risk that [a referendum] could paralyze efforts for a better Europe and deeper integration. Britain would risk being isolated. That cannot be in Britain’s interests,” he said.

http://rt.com/news/us-warns-britain-eu-675/

 

The thing is the media you claim to hate will pull out all the Eurosceptic propaganda bollox of the kind propagated by you. I'll be in favour of a referendum on the pretext that media debates are equally weighted and all points of view are fairly and freely aired. Under such circumstances, reason will win the day but the Murdoch press and their echo chambers within the extreme fringes of political discourse are unlikely to allow such an eventuality. So let's get this referendum done and dusted if only to finally shut up the Eurosceptics and their Little Britain knuckle-dragging neanderthol fanboys. On this issue, Jack, you are a box of contradictions.

 

Jack, I am coming around to your way of thinking. But one point needs to be emphasized. I no longer have a country except in memory. I am Post-American.

 

So what?

There is no logical reason not to ask the people, it is their countries, after all, and they also want to think of the future, for the next generation.

I have faith that in the main, people in Europe are informed enough and learned enough, to come to their own decision, based on all avaiable information.

Of course there are those that would make a case for it, and against it, again, so what, that is the way it works, each makes a case, people listen to each case, weight it up, then make a choice.

All you have managed to do in this thread, is (and it not often you make this mistake), is really dismiss any genuine and legitimate antipathy for the EU, as being Little Englanders, or knucklescrapers, etc, etc.

Not only is that usually the methodology of our resident N American Zionist friend, but it is a most inaccurate, and pretty unhelpful thing to do.

You make a referendum sound like something you give spitefully, in how you write. Why? You usually want people to have more say over their own affairs, not less, you usually distrust bureucrats and their constructs, except on this.

We are not going to agree, in part because you wish to begin from that starting point, and in part, because I am just too digusted and ashamed by the EU, esp in relation to Israel, to be moved on it.

Sorry..

 

Thanks. I like your posts too.

Thanks. I like your posts too.

 

Snip, which I agree with, and emphasise..

Well let’s be clear. I mean we have Iceland, we have Switzerland who aren’t amongst the club of 27 as so-called and they are doing rather well in their own countries and they are still engaged, they are engaged internationally and they are engaged within Europe.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/29/280779/uk-should-be-engaged-more-in-eu/

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Snip, which I agree with, and emphasise..

Well let’s be clear. I mean we have Iceland, we have Switzerland who aren’t amongst the club of 27 as so-called and they are doing rather well in their own countries and they are still engaged, they are engaged internationally and they are engaged within Europe.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/29/280779/uk-should-be-engaged-more-in-eu/

 

I think this whole debate needs to be presented to the people of the UK in a balanced and unbiased manner to allow for a fair and clear vote should a referendum be held.......Back in the real world it will be a mass of hysterical, sensationalist tabloids and politicians who will do all they can to appease the Sun and their ilk.