USA "democarcy": Gays & lesbians are forcing majority to love them again!

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by martin_777, Jul 15, 2011.

  1. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    I want to luv me some gay guys looking for luv. But first we'll dress up and apply make up. Any takers out there? Haha :)
     
  2. martin_777

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    The 'tyranny' of the majority? Interesting.Tell me, how you are going to rule a country, when you are acting against a majority or not listening even to 20-30% of people???
    Well, I am for not a mandatory programs. I am for giving people a choice, what they want to study. Give a choice to parents, in this case. How many gays are in the country? 2-3%? So, why make 97-98% of people to suffer just because of 2-3% weirdos, who act against the nature? So, these 2-3% keep hammering 97-98%. It's not fair and this is exactly where the tyranny begins.

    Anti gay commercials? I don't think that somebody agree to run them(I mean good ones, not just saying "we are for traditional family"), just because of fear of lawsuits. This is where the terror of lawsuits begins.
     
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    How are the rights of non-gay people being infringed?
     
  4. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    Have you not heard of and considered the concept? In general, the rights of 'individuals' in America, are not determined by popularity or the opinions of the 'many'. Really, that isn't a new thing here.

    Ok, you aren't... yet we have those in reality.

    Ok, that works to some degree. Even so, there must be 'some' consensus between folks in a civilized society.

    Again, there is limited autonomy in virtually any case. In large part, I favor allowing certain parents or families to opt out of certain things in public schools. But I don't think (in general) that schools should 'default' to silence or ignorance, due to the sensibilities of the same.

    You are talking about a significant number of people, no matter how you slice it.

    Sorry, but even "weirdos" have rights; as evidenced by many right-wing nut jobs allowed to speak/express themselves as freely as they do. And do you think there is somehow 'suffering' because we strive to include people of all types within this society?

    That is your belief/opinion. Hey, people tolerate YOU, don't they?

    Please, stop being dramatic... that isn't what's happening, and you should know that.

    That's LUDICROUS; really.

    I think I've seen some messages on TV which were anti-gay (political stuff)... but what exactly do you mean?

    Most people these days, insult and and attack gays in more subtle ways; homosexuality is gradually becoming more accepted. Even so, there seem to be fewer and fewer truly valid reasons to exclude, discriminate against and dehumanize homosexuals, compared to just a few years ago.

    For too long, gays have been targeted for immoral, unjust or just silly reasons; that is changing. Thank God!!
     
  5. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    I can't wait to see that answer myself.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Why do have no problem with the majority controlling a minority?
    I guess its okay when YOU aren't in that minority.
     
  7. Takiji

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    I don't understand where you and Martin get the idea that we have this deep-seated need to be loved. Maybe you could explain that. I suppose that on the whole most people would on a personal basis prefer to be liked rather than not liked. But you are asserting that gays as a group want to be loved and that's a different thing. Quite honestly there are certain people whose love for us I'd find a little creepy. Yours and Martin's for instance.
     
  8. Albert Di Salvo

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    First of all, bend over I'm driving.

    Secondly, LGBT folks are leftists. That means we will never accept them just as we will never accept any leftist.

    Thirdly, enforceable legal rights are different than public acceptance. LGBT folks are entitled to absolute equal rights because the concept of individual liberty demands it.

    To me this is true philosophically and as a matter of law. Philosophically, personal autonomy is one of the component elements of individual liberty. Legally, the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment doesn't contain an exception for LGBT folks. Thus, there is no exception to equal application of the laws.

    Now PM me with your home address and I'll come and get you for our drive.:)
     
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    The US is run by the Constitution. Mob rule is majority rule or Democracy. The US is not a Democracy it is a Republic with Democratic leanings. Thomas Jefferson called Democracy mob rule. Learn what your nation is. It might help you on a political forum.
    The bold is just a stupid statement from someone who has no idea what they are talking about.
     
  10. Johnny-C

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    You are seriously kidding yourself... if you expect any significant number of human beings to buy into the closed-minded and bigoted notions you are communicating (as in the above).

    I know that YOU believe that stuff, but try realizing and accepting that not everyone else does.
     
  11. Takiji

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    I love it when you go all butch on me :eek:

    I agree with you except when you assert that all gays are leftists, which is patently untrue. But you still don't provide any evidence of the gay community's (to the extent that there is one) having this deep-seated need to be loved. I'll take the equal rights and I don't care whether you love me or not.
     
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    Yes, because you are making other people to study what they might not want.
     
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    Now it sounds like trolling. This is a good example of how gays are pushing through their cause - hammering people and most of people give up and just thinking "leave me alone, just give them what they want"!

    AS for me, you will be getting completely opposite results, the more you hammer me, the more I hate gay people.

    So, you didn't answer the question - "how you going to rule a country, when you are acting against majority of the people?".

    I know gay have rights, but straights have rights too and they are the majority. You are a pure tyrant, Johnny-C, majority is forced to tolerate what they might not want to tolerate!

    I offered a wise decision to respect the gay rights - create gay schools or make "gay programs" voluntary. There are decisions which are good for everybody - for gays and for straights. And they are not for imposing something upon someone.
    I already talked about it. If you keep trolling I will ignore you next time.
     
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    I have a problem, when minority imposing things on majority. I have no problem with you, what you are doing the bedroom. But you are going too far.
     
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    Then shut your f**ing Mass Media which mentions the democracy as a major ruling, driving force of USA, especially with "spreading democracy around the world!".

    Change it on "spreading a total control of USA around the world with a gun!".:mrgreen:
    Learn more about your country, especially the difference between what it says and what it does!
     
  16. Takiji

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    Again, Martin, what happens when you lose the majority? Where will you go then?
     
  17. Albert Di Salvo

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    Well Johnny-C are you going conservative on me? Are you becoming a Log Cabin Republican?
     
  18. Albert Di Salvo

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    Yeah, I'm irresistible. :)
     
  19. Johnny-C

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    I have my "conservative" ways/thoughts; but I'm an independent thinker. I'm not one who marches to the beat of some right-wing notion or mantra.

    Still, my emphasis in mentioning what I did, was to point out that it isn't fair, just or moral... to imply that homosexual people should/must be discriminated against legally.
     
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    “It’s a sad day for our republic when we have the government essentially telling people what they should think,” said Tim Donnelly, a Republican state assemblyman from San Bernadino. Mr. Donnelly said the law prohibited schools from presenting gays and lesbians “in anything other than a positive light, and I think that’s censorship right there.”

    But I am sure it was OK with Tim when the government portrayed gays and lesbians in a negative light.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D529HBoHW1c&NR=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17u01_sWjRE

    Yes, the rights of heterosexual people to discriminate and persecute gay people is coming to an end.

    Those are the rights you are so uptight about losing.
     
  21. flounder

    flounder In Memoriam Past Donor

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    I love this part...
    ''“We are failing our students when we don’t teach them about the broad diversity of human experience.”

    Like my children and I should give a puck what they do in the bedroom,,,If my children went to that school I would fight this with everything I could.
    And I am for Gay rights, I am not for GAY AGENDAS,,,,,This is how people start to hate....perfect!
     
  22. Albert Di Salvo

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    You should be one of us. Here's a man to be respected: http://www.gaypatriot.net/
     
  23. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    No, thank you. I am respectful of Conservative Americans, but I have looked at and watched the overall 'movement' of that ideology or agenda and generally reject the effects I've witnessed.
     
  24. Albert Di Salvo

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    Centrists don't believe in anything. They swing from side to side election to election.

    There are only two sides. Left and Right. You have chosen Left. Let us hope you have chosen wisely.
     
  25. Takiji

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    Well said if you are a revolutionary or a reactionary, and I take it you are one or the other. Oh and wise choices and right choices aren't necessarily the same thing.
     

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