Virus spread in America by "community transmission"...? What is that?!

I don't care who is in power -- in a natural disaster, epidemic, pandemic, icbm attack, volcano eruption, mass chemical attack, earthquake, hurricane -- you are basically on your own and have to figure it out for yourself.

But when you look at how well other countries have handled corona and how well the USA has done imo you to think not too shabby, not too shabby at all.

 

It does make you question the (unelected) bureaucrats in charge when the CDC incorrectly briefed the President, VP, and HHS in telling them that the first death was a woman in her late 50's. You'd think that a CDC briefing would be extremely detailed with far more information than what the administration passes along in a brief public press conference.

 

The virus comes across as the flu. Not everyone runs to the hospital to get tested when they get the flu and I would say a large percentage call in from work and stay home to get over it. In the meantime they spread it. These cases are in high tourism, high travel areas and it makes sense that untraceable cases would start there.

 

It takes a village.

 

They didn't say the source is "untraceable". The verbiage is "unknown". The virus comes from China. It makes the most sense in the King County cases, two in a nursing home and the man's death at the hospital, that a health care worker who did not travel to China does have friends or family members who did travel to China. Governor's Inslee's challenge would be to first ask Asian healthcare workers if any of their close friends or family travelled to China during key dates....without being called a xenophobe or accused of "targeting" a minority race.

Of course, more broadly speaking, we will end up with untraceable cases if they don't manage containment very quickly.

 

I agree with half of what Trump says and everything he does. I know who he is and he's taking us in a far better direction than any Democrat would (high taxes, open borders, more government, more regulation, slower growth, more political correctness, etc.).

 

Since this comes across as a regular flu....and because from what I'm reading...that symptoms can be minor in some people...this isn't going to be contained. I think it's going to be a part of our conglomerate of sicknesses. If people dont build immunity to it...that could be a different problem.

 

Yes, Joe, we don't know....

I'm reminded of the vacuous imprecision of the medical 'community' when they use enigmatic words like, "idiopathic" to tell people that they (the learned physicians) don't know anything either!

And, no, Joe, I didn't claim to have knowledge, and I've told you no less than twice already that I'm not at the point of thinking it's 'conspiracy' -- but you want to back-pedal your verbose, premature condemnation of me for even pointing out the bizarre nature of these so-far inexplicable infections in the first place.

So, I don't know... you don't know... and the learned medical 'community' doesn't know.

What? Looks like we're right back where we started with this...?! Maybe even I could sound wiser, though, if I conjectured that these mysterious additional infections are "idiopathic"...?

."Thanks to this, I don't have to actually know anything -- but still get PAID!"

 

Yet you immediately followed that with "but surely there is something that "they" aren't telling us". If you're so sure they're hiding something, how can you also be sure they don't know? You seem so determined to distrust any authority that you can't keep your position consistent.

It isn't really just a medical question but a wider one (that's why you were initially attacking "the government", remember). It's about establishing where a patient has been and who they've been in contact with to trace their infection to a primary source. In this case, they just can't establish that chain of contact.

Nobody is saying this is idiopathic. They know the cause of the patients illness is COVID-19, they just don't know exactly where they picked up the infection.

 

??? "Tan suit"...? I loathed and despised Barack Obama for what he DID to this country, including his deliberate lies, law-breaking, horrible foreign policy, and for just bowing-down to the Federal Reserve central bank and letting them run the entire economy using methods that guaranteed eventual destruction of the free-market system. But a tan suit is actually one of the better things about him! Actually, very nice looking....

 

Possibly Australia's equivalent of MSNBC didn't cover it as it made the Leftist politicians inside Puerto Rico look very bad.

 

I have lost track of how many hurricanes I have lived through and I always wonder if the next one to hit my area is going to punch my ticket. On the other hand abandoning one's home in favor of hitting the road in order to escape it has got its own problems. I have always stayed. So far so good.

 

Yes, Joe... quite right. We know WHAT the disease IS.... But we don't know how these particular people 'caught' the COVID-19. None of them was in China or in any other country. None came in contact with an infected person or with another person who was in a country in which an infection had broken out.

So, as I said, when it comes to having an accurate understanding of the 'what, where, when, why, and who' of this disease, we're right back where we started... but, 'don't spook the herd'... there's a stock market to protect!

 

We evacuated once, never again unless it is a dead on hit.

 

Possibly, but I suspect Bowerbird knows exactly what I'm talking about. Lefties gonna left.

 

#resistance, except this resistance has put people in jeopardy you hate(expect sadly) to see it. This is why TDS is destructive. Look, voting is a constructive process. Keep it to that. For now, obey all lawful orders and help this government work. Be productive if they call themselves a public servant.

 

Do you want to know how you come in contact with an infected person without coming in contact with an infected person? Shopping cart handles, freezer section door handles, key pads at the check out line.

Go to Costco, open the cooler door to grab a gallon of milk, put it in your cart, stroll by a food sample vender, take a sample and put it in your mouth, you just put your mouth on the shopping cart handle and on the cooler door handle. That is all it takes. Hell, rubbing your eye or picking your nose in public has the potential of putting a pile of pathogens on your mucous membranes.

US Army field sanitation training calls it the five F’s. Five common things that can get a bunch of people sick at once.
Fingers
Flies
Food
Fluid
Feces

 

What is that even meant to mean? You started by attacking the government for "surely" knowing something they're not telling us but I've still no idea what you might think that is. Given that community transmission is be more concerning, if the aim was to avoid panic, "surely" they'd lie about that.

There is, unfortunately, nothing unusual or unexpected here. The nature of the virus made community transmission pretty much inevitable regardless.

 

Obama created a structure to deal with epidemics. Trump destroyed it leaving you vulnerable.

 

Nope. USA is still the best, even with Trump. Britain is still in 2nd place, even with Brexit.

 

By keeping the demographics secret it is impossible to know if it is an ethnic specific designed biological weapon. Such things are possible.

 

The fact that they claim not to know indicates that it is not very contagious.

 

Sigh. I don't think this is any conspiracy, planned attack or biological weapon. I think a lot of Asian-Americans travel to China every year for family reunions and to celebrate their New Year. Some of them came back with the virus and spread it to friends/family in their community. Then the people who had contact but didn't make the trip themselves went to work and infected other people....thus the "source" is unknown....or yet to be traced. Now we have broader community spread.

With limited studies we have, there is no indication that any ethnicity is more or less susceptible. It appears to impact elderly more than anyone else, regardless of race.

 

It might not be a coincidence that the first person in the U.S. to be diagnosed with the novel coronavirus lives very close to Travis AFB where 400 Americans from the Diamond Princess
cruise ship were housed.The Federal Health employees who interacted with those Americans were not health care professionals and they were not properly trained in the use of
protective gear until 5 days after their arrival. None of these Federal employees have reported any symptoms of the coronavirus but they haven't been tested so they could be asymptomatic.
Some Federal workers, or maybe just 1 individual, might have minor symptoms and could be too afraid to report this information to anyone. This information came from a NY Times
story about a whistle blower complaint. Some of these Federal employees mixed with the general population a 1 took a commercial plane flight back. If this story is true, it represents
an unbelievable level of incompetence.

 

No, the fact they say they don't know indicates that they don't know. If anything, community transmission suggests it being more contagious rather than less.