Visualizing gun deaths – Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world

It's not a knee-jerk response when you don't post for 2 pages... If your not going to make it clear that you are posting with sarcasm, don't get all butt-hurt when you are taken seriously.

 

Gun nuts don't give one single (*)(*)(*)(*) about how many people are killed by firearms in America, to them, the more the better. They wish more people would die due to firearms to bolster their belief that we need more guns to kill more people.

 

See folks, even when you capitulate the argument, gun nuts still want to argue the issue. Go ahead, have all the guns you like, shoot everyone that looks at you cross eyed, murder every unarmed "thug" you come across. What the hell do I care? Screw it, turn America into a raging gun battle from sea to shining sea. Turn all the rivers red with blood. That blood won't be on my hands.

 

We have more guns now than at any point in history and violent crime has been on a very long downward trend. Gun sales have been hitting records the last couple of years and violent crime continues to drop. How do you explain that? Do you even care, or are you happy to just snuggle up to that left-wing narrative like a security blanket?

It's very telling that areas of the country that are seeing increased crime are cities like Chicago, with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country.

It's very simple. Guns aren't the problem. Minority gangs are the problem. But you're not willing to confront that issue. Wouldn't want to (*)(*)(*)(*) off loyal groups to the Democrat party, am I right? And it's not like it affects you in your affluent white suburb, anyway, so what's your issue?

 

Yeah right for every redneck that kills himself accidentally with a gun, 1000 leftist idiots many to find more creative ways to off themselves. Mass shootings are generally done by people who couldn't legally own a gun anyway. Put it this way all US crime rates are at twenty year lows. Only two major changes have happened in the last twenty years that might actually impact crime rates, the proliferation of shall issue concealed carry laws and three strikes laws.

 

The interesting thing is our murder rate is currently 4.5 per 100,000 people (2013 data). In 1980, it was 10.2 per 100,000 people. It has been in the 5-6 range since about 2000, and it was lower in 2013 than it was in 2012. There is not a major raging gun battle occurring in the U.S. The murder rate hasn't been this low since we've been collecting nationwide statistics (1960).

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

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Yet our murder rate is as low as it has been since we started recording national statistics on it. The murder rate has been getting lower pretty much since the 1990s.

 

sorry dude; there is no appeal to ignorance of our Second Article of Amendment.

we really just need to stop giving State governors a free pass regarding that which is necessary to the security of a free State.

 

You have a fair point and are technically correct, however your presenting it in a slanted incorrect way. Yes as originally ratified the Bill of Rights was only meant to clarify the limits of the federal government. However the conclusion of your argument isn't correct as it omits three important facts.

First as the federal constitution and the rights protected within is simply a federal version of previous state constitutions that also protected those rights. As these rights, in particular the RKBA were already protected by the state constitutions and it was assumed they would continue to do so, they saw no need.

Second each state both had and was required to keep an organized citizen militia. A state infringing on the RKBA would put it in violation of it's militia responsibilities.

Third the 14th amendment changed the application of the Bill of Rights. The equal protection clause of the 14th applies federally protected rights to the citizens of the states. This is largely what cases like US v Heller and McDonald V Chicago were about.

 

Truth.

Until the loss of theirs causes them to come running and screaming to the United States to redeem it.

 

Opinions of two guys who live in a country with a monarchy. A country that we had to fight with guns to free ourselves from. Thanks but we will keep our guns.

 

I conceal carry everyday. Gives me sense of security. Only had to put my hand on it once in five years. I caught a guy trying to cut my muffler of my van.

After I startled him he came out from beneath my van with a saw in his hand. I made sure he knew he was out powered. He ran off and no one got hurt.

 

I'm gonna reply to the both of you because you have the same argument.

I don't care anymore. But point of record, the gun deaths in America are astronomical compared to the rest of the western world. But, again, I give, I don't care, go blow each others heads off left and right. Have all the guns you want. I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN.

 

What would the stats look like if you removed minority perp homocides from the data?

"There are lies, there are d*mned lies and there are statistics."

 

Then simply stop replying in this thread. You have no interest in furthering discussion, so your presence ultimately serves no purpose whatsoever.

 

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen”
― Samuel Adams

 

The answer to every problem isn't the government passing more laws. I wish people could get that through their head.

 

A gun doesn't give you freedom, just the same as a gun doesn't kill people. A gun is an inanimate object that cannot do anything on it's own. It's the person behind the gun that causes good or ill in the world.

Do you know what DOES give you freedom? Being free to express your opinion dispite jack booted thugs bum rushing your opinion with pointless banalities that they know little about.

 

Murder rates are more important than "gun deaths". "Gun deaths" include suicides which I would think progressives wouldn't have a huge issue with, since most of them claim to support euthanasia - the ability to end one's life at the time of his/her choosing.

Our murder rate is higher than the rest of the Western world, true. Those other countries don't have our minority gang problems. Perhaps when Muslims become a bigger percentage of Europe's population that will start to change. Of course, we'll have even more minorities by then too, so we will likely remain on top.

 

Your right, in this case passing more laws would do nothing, they would go nowhere, and they wouldn't get passed anyway. My fellow liberals need to start deconstructing the already existing gun laws to the point where you can get a gun with a damn happy meal, and let nature take it's course.

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What exactly don't you get about liberals? We think for ourselves, we aren't in lock step with each other ideologically. I'm against suicide myself, I think it's against the natural order of things.

So yeah, suicides count, do you know why? Attempting suicide is actually illegal.

 

And so?

 

Never-mind.

 

Suicide alone with a firearm is preferred to suicide by cop, plane, car, rampage etc. that harms others in the process.

 

lol, right. The group that prides itself on collectivism are all a bunch of free thinkers. Can you show me some well known Democrats who think marriage should be between a man and a woman?

So you're in favor of someone suffering through a painful terminal illness with no chances of recovery, instead of having a painless and quick death?

So should we be throwing people in jail for trying to kill themselves?

 

Then why did you comment if you don't give a damn?

Glad we angered you because you didn't have a proper response. Our murder rate is half of what it was twenty years ago. It's at the lowest point it has been since we have been recording national crime rates. America is a violent country, and our non-gun murder rate dwarfs Europe's total murder rate. Guns aren't the reason for that.

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What in the world are you talking about? Buy a new thesaurus?

 

Obama's 'vision' I happen to agree with. Even so, I'm sure that the President understands (as I do) that those holding a certain vision in a persistent fashion, will generally steer the things they influence in the general direction of the same.

The political power WILL ebb/flow to certain spheres of influence; it is inevitable. The "Right" will not always wield the exact amount of power that they do today... or just as both Left AND Right have done over time... they will evolve.

People are being unrealistic if they think things haven't changed or will never change. Really, that's just ludicrous thinking.