Vladimir Putin ‘wants to regain Finland’ for Russia, adviser says

That is another thread based on disinformation.

Illarionov believes that Putin will some day in the future invade Finland, because Putin told some years ago that the Bolshevics betrayed the interests of Russians.

Illariononv never said that Putin told that he has any plans to invade Finland, he told that he BELIEVES that Putin could do that.

 

I never would respect a Wehrmacht for any politician we had before 1945. I simply speak about the strengh.

Your numbers are all wrong, sorry. German army actual is pretty small, but more than 180 000 troops. It would in case of a war be about 2-3 million.

Russia has far far more than you did mention.

The french have about 3/4 of the german army and so on. In 1990, we had about 700 000 west and east combined...all that is not important. It would be reborn and all is about strategic lines (no second front) about industrial capacity (Germany is far stronger in his economy than Russia and other factors..

I mean are you aware that may be 50% of the russians would desert if Putin ask them to attack Poland or Germany? There are so many reasonable russians among the idiots...I am 100% sure, half of their big army would simply run away to get Sauerkraut and beer - do you think if Putin tells them: "go and destroy Berlin!" they would obey?

Some would, others not.

Here, almost everybody would, aslong as the west wont attack. If the west would attack Russia, our goverment would be removed immidiately. If Russia attacks, 50% of the Red Army would run away and desert.

The other 50 % would not be able to move, because that would mean that nobody can handle anything anymore.

That is my personal prognose. Propably Putin would be executed by some brave russians.

In cases like Ukraine, russians do think that things are on their side. They are mistaken, butthey do think so. In case of for example Poland...or Germany...that would cause trouble inside Russia against Putin.

 

Keep in mind that I was breaking it down by branch. The total size of the Bundeswehr (Active and reserve) is 327,000. The total size of the Russian military (Active and reserve) is 2,801,000.

As for 50% of the Army deserting and killing Putin, do you realize how absurd that idea is? Putin has a 70%+ approval rating, and it is probably much higher among his own Military. Putin MIGHT have a few thousand desertions, but half of his military will not desert.

 

Except nuking Russia also ends up with the entire population of earth being killed. Have you heard of MAD? I would let Russia take half of the planet before resorting to nukes. Nations fall, but the damage of nuclear war is not so easily recovered.

 

Taxutter says:
Even in 1942 when the US had a third of its industry sitting idle, you cannot gin up armed forces overnight. At best youwind up with under-equipped, under-trained, and under-supplied force much like Kitchener's "New Armies" in 1916. These bore no semblance to the highly professional BEF of 1914 and when the big battles came, they died like flies.

Prove me wrong. Show me pictures of Germany converting export consumer goods factories to war material. Show me pictures of tens of thousands of Germans in military training. I'm not seeing it.

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Taxcutter says:
Putin seems unimpressed by their hatred.

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Taxcutter says:
It takes only double-digit IQ to stay ahead of Hussein Obama.

 

Of course Putin could invade Finland. At which time Finland is on their own.

 

Dear Sir,

it is one think that russians are desinformed about Crimea and think all would be right.

An other. if Putin will attack Poland : how do you want hi to explain an attack on a Nato member to his people? How?

I also think many russians would fellow him, but a large number would not and an other large number would desert if we would offer them money to desert.

If I was the chancellor in that case I would quickly

developp nukes (Germany would need less than 4 weeks to get them)
Change our industry to a war industry (that would take 1-2 years maximum if it is an extreme crash programm. MAXIMUM. The output would be that Leopard 2 tanks wiuld be 7-10 times more I guess - one Leopard could fight 5-6 russian tanks by its technical advantage. Leopard 2 is the best tank in the world, far better than any Abraham might be. Germans do construct the most best tanks worldwide and they would use that capacity.

These 300 000 + men in Germany would be changed into 2-3 million - as it was before 1994. Qustion of 1-2 years only.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h0-yfoi5PM

But I know a far more dangerous and very typical answer of Germany to such kind of russian attack:


But the most effective weappon might be to offer 500 € for every deserting russian soldier and a german green card. They would desert, believe me.

 

Gentlemen,

Please, a "return to Earth" is needed at this point, perhaps with a sprinkle of levity.

Russia is not going to invade Finland. Russia is not going to invade Poland. Russia is not going to invade Germany. Russia is not going to invade __________________ (Fill in the blank). Our own American Führer, President "Red Line" is the only one on the world scene today making outrageous, preposterous assertions and claims about what HE is going to do to, and about, other countries (but will not even defend the borders of our own country).

Vladsky is going to wait for the newly-installed Ukraine "Chocolate King", Petro Poroshenko, to continue the bloodbath the eastern parts of that country. When it finally gets so bad that the sky is filled with fire and the streets are covered in blood, Vladsky may, indeed, push back against the Kiev junta to defend ethnic Russians -- after all the atrocities and outrages are played out on the world stage.

BUT -- there will be no invasion of Poland; there will be no invasion of Germany; there will be no invasion of Finland; there will be no invasion of Bulgaria; there will be no invasion of ____________ (Fill in the blank). I suggest we all stay within the bounds of reality....

 

Putin, and more importantly, his cabinet are all intent on regaining Russian pride and that includes rebuilding the collapsed Soviet empire. Putin is smart but he is also determined and has 70% approval. At this point in time he has been lucky to have a confluence of political weakness in the west and easy conquest with Crimea but he has also championed claiming the Arctic and is practicing war games in the North. Russia's economy is a one horse economy built on oil so domination of trade routes and where they can secure oil will be the first order. After that, who knows.

 

Putin probably won't invade Latvia, Finland, Poland, Lithuania, Moldova, Estonia.....as he is a tiny little KGB (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Hitler was a failed artist. Putin has the majority of his country behind him.

 

The fins have a long history of resisting Russian agression. Not always succesfully, the Russians have succeeded in beating and invading them on occasion but never easily. The fins as a consequence are a little unique in Europe. Like the US Finalnd has almost as many or even more privately owned firearms as they do citizens. Many of them military grade weapons such as their copies of the AK series rifle. Some firearms experts consider these copies to be the best of AK series weapons.Point is a heavily armed society is a difficult nut to crack.

Not sure why they would want to conquer Finland anyhow. It's a nice place but not exactly overflowing in resources or value.

Sounds like hearsay anyhow.

 

Hitler had the majority of Germans behind him too.

as did Saddam Hussein and Mussolini.

 

Dear friend, one year ago, I could havde copied your posting and fill in your "fill in the blank"

"there will be no annexion of the Crimea" + "there will be no russian troops supporting terrorists in Ukraine". Now, that space is allready used. Russia did invade in Crimea and Russia does destablize Ukraine with russian soldiers.

I do also agree that it isn't likely what is discussed here, but I would have said the exact same thing about Ukraine aswell - the problem is:

Russia is notr reliable.

Today I was swimming with my little daughter. I met a russian family and we did discuss. The point of view was seriously (from them) :" we should never have allowed Poland to join the EU and Nato and will and shall correct that mistake".

An other strange point was like: "you germans should help us by that and get your borders back you had in 1914 in the east".

All that sounds strange. I think, that is part of:

* Putin loving germans on the extreme right wing, small group, but very very loud in social media.

* Putin loving russians in the middle of russian society, 70% of those who elected, small group?


Russia is not trustable anymore. If so, at least we should reflect if we should get re-armed. I think yes.

You do live in the USA. Can you understand that germans in Berlin might feel a little different than you do? What about our friends in Poland (they are our friends! Eaven if some russians do not like that idea) Can you understand that they might feel eaven more scared of that fascist president?

He is fascist. Homophobie, antisemitism, using military to change borders, unable of any self-critisism, blackmaling with gas...that is fascism.

And the Balitics? Do you understand that they are fightenned to death these months? I do. And I do not like that they feel that way. I think, some solidary and emphatie would not be bad.

Just my 2 cents.

 

(laughs) Look.
[video=youtube;Fcb4rLzXFl0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Fcb4rLzXFl0[/video]

 

Putin won't invade Finland. He's too scared.

 

I think if the name Russia occupied all continent - in the World there would be an ideal democracy and full harmony

 

If -even in just Putin's mind - Finland is in play, why not Poland, the Baltic states, Moldova, and even Prussia and Silesia?

 

Good post, but the disinformation warfare against Russia goes on.

 

why are you defending Russia soo much?

they worship Stalin, who you hate.

 

Russian ambitions in Finland, Crimea, Sweden, Poland and the Ukraine have been in a state of flux since Peter the Great... Back and forth. .. over and over again.

 

It was an era of wars and conquest, and when land meant a full stomach and power. Today it's gas and oil, and Moscow's main concern is to protect its territorial claims in the Artic with all its oil and minerals. This is what the arms build up in northern Europe is really about. All that about defending those nations from a Russian aggression is nothing but a Nato bluff to arouse the people against Russia.

From what I gather, the U.S. and Canada do not want to come to separate agreements over the Artic, so they have sent their claims to the U.N. Considering the influence the U.S. has over the U.N., the results might not really be just, so this could be why Russia has built bases all over the Artic, and why it is now having large drills equal to the ones Nato is having up in them there waters.

Anyway what would Russia want with Finland, or for that matter Poland and Lithuania. They're not Russia's responsibility, let them all fend for themselves.

 

Do you want me to join the hate campaign against Russia?

Who "THEY"?
Another blanket statement about THE Russians?

Some Russians warship Stalin, some Jews warship Ovadia Yosef or Ben Gurion, who was responsible for massacres in Palestine.

It is obvious that there are more Jews who worship Ovadia Yosef or Ben Gurion, than there are Russians that worship Stalin.

BTW, why was Roosevelt in love with Uncle Joe? And what about Einstein and other prominent western intellectuals who were in love with Stalin?

There are a lot of old ignorant Russian veterans who do not know real history, that is why they still warship Stalin.

But Roosevelt, Churchill and Einstein knew what was going on in Russia, but they still fell in love with Stalin!

Why?

 

Ovadia Yosef never murdered anyone.

Stalin murdered tens of millions of Soviets.

 

You ignored to mention Ben Gurion, he was mentioned in my post, and that speaks volumes!