Vladimir Putin ‘wants to regain Finland’ for Russia, adviser says

Ben Gurion is a little speck of dust, compared to the tens of millions murdered by Stalin.

your comparisons are pathetic.

meanwhile Ovadia Yosef still killed no one.

 

Why don't you address his more substantive points? Hitler was far more of a threat to worldwide Jewery and of working class interests more generally than Stalin, but you have a particular bee in your bonnet about the latter. Why?

 

I hate Hitler. I also hate Stalin. Why is that a problem? Should I love Stalin just because he fought the Nazis?

well Bandera also fought the Nazis. Should I therefore love Bandera?

 

I agree that it's not a case of taking sides one way or the other. I'm just curious why it is you will not give any recognition to the fact that there was a significant positive on the plus side of the balance sheet of Stalinist evil. Ultimately, for example, if it wasn't for the significant contribution made by the Red Army in defeating Hitler fascism, the crimes committed by Stalin would have been dwarfed by those under a Nazi-dominated Europe.

 

The Soviets used the Nazis as an excuse to steal half of Poland, the Baltics, and then impose their tyranny on half of Germany, Romania, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, and lots of other countries for more than 45 years.

Sure, they helped us defeat the Nazis.....and then used their victory to enslave much of the world.

Thanks. But the USSR sucks and Stalin was just Hitler with an all-red banner.

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Sorry, but those of us who value freedom, democracy, liberty, tolerance, owe NOTHING to Stalin, those who killed for him, and those today who worship him as a Saint.

 

Philosophically, we have a very different way of looking at the world. I'll just leave it at that.

 

Stalin was the enemy of my enemy.

that doesn't make him my friend.

 

You ignore the fact that the Western allies of Uncle Joe AGREED to this!

Everything was done according to the Morgenthau Plan!

Was Morgenthau and other advisors of Roosevelt Stalinists?

Brits started WWII, declaring war on the Third Reich, because they were presumably so concerned about the freedom of Poles.

But then they permitted to enslave Poland for half a century!

And even in the 70th the British government prohibited the installation of a memorial to the victims of the Katyn Massacre in the UK!

The British government helped the Soviets to preserve the Katyn-Lie even during the Cold War!

The Brits, who presumably went to war to protect the Poles, were spitting in the face of Polish people after the war!

Please try to see the real world history in its full comlexity, not only one side of the history!

 

In part this is because the British and USA respected (or feared?) Stalin's Soviet Union much more then today's democratic Russia.

 

The best way to avoid trouble with Putins Russia is to react with steel and blood. Putin does only understand the language of an iron fist. He will interpretate all sort of nice behaviour as an invitation to get more.

If Russia would dare to attack Finland the answer must be that Nato isn landing in Finland and attacks Petersburg. If Russia is getting such clear message, it will never attack Finland. If Putin is getting the message that nobody cares and also lots support him by having no balls, he might attack Finland. Later Poland, later Germany. Putin is the very typical power hungry arrogant nationalistic leader (he was in the criminal KGB!!!) we do find in history in many nations before.

The problem is that Russia was almost allways run by such scum.

What is desperately needed is a well designed and technical high standart nuclear shild on Nato borders: In Poland, in Estonia.

If Russia is unable to use its nukes, blackmaling against the civilized world will be part of history.

Putins Russia is no partner. You do not negociate with terrorists.

 

Read this post:

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=359626&p=1063969943#post1063969943

 

The Morgenthau Plan for the dissalussion and division of Germany was never implemented. The Morganthau Plan said nothing about allowing Soviet invasion and domination of Poland, Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia.

someone obviously lied to you.

 

Is that why they waited until Hitler took over France? No, they saw the inevitable.

 

no, Germany started WW2 by illegally invading Czechoslovakia.

why are you defending the Nazis? didn't they kill tens of millions of brave Russian soldiers?

 

So one day when I was going to college, I saw a group of liberals going about their business demonizinf conservatives as they usually do.

So I snuck up on them and said just one word. That word was Nazis. I didn't shout it either.

They all wigged out and ran away from me.

Fancy that.

 

That is a new interpretation of the history of WWII.

As we see, Western Powers acepted the demise of Czechoslovakia, this did not provoke any war.

BTW, Czechoslovakia collapsed, because the Slovaks were not happy with the domination of Czechs.
And Czechoslovakia collapsed again after the end of the Communist dictatorship in East Europe, that is a prove that this was an artificially created state that could not exist as a democracy.

And Poland took a big chunk of Czechoslovakia, too!

That is a personal attack, I will report this.
People, who did not agree with the Soviet BS about the Katyn Massacre were also accused of "supporting them Nazis", that is why the lie about this event could have be preserved for such a long time.

But eventually the historical truth became known, despite the name calling and the defamation of truth seekers.

I am not defending "them Nazis", I am just interested in the historical truth.

If you can debunk my arguments, do that.

Europeans killed each others in two WW, that was a disaster for Europe, and there were no winners, the Europeans were decimated.

The consequences of these two wars are the decline of the European civilization.

Read Pat Buchanan if you want to know more.

And it is very important to find out the historical truth and answer the questions:
Could these wars have been avoided?
Who profited from these wars?

Many authors tried to answer these questions, but most people are still happy with the simplified Hollywood-Version of history.

 

Sorry, but you have to check the time line of the events.

 

no annexation of a nation's territory is legal without the consent of that nation.

historical revisionism. Did you get this from the IHR?

100% false. Poland didn't get one square inch of Czechoslovakia after WW2

sorry, Im not interested in the failed opinions of racists and anti-Semites.

who profited from these wars? the corporations who manufactured weapons and other war materials. But let me guess, you were hoping for a different answer...like "the Jews"?

 

Yep, but the Sovaks declared their independence, like the Carpatho-Ukrainians.

Czechoslovakia was a multi-ethnicf empire, Czechs subjugated ethnic minorities, that did not work.
Czechoslovakia collapsed because of internal problems, there was no Czechoslovakia any more, and we do not have any Czechoslovakia today.

It got it before WWII.

 

It was not implemented, but not in the extreme version.

Many ideas of this plan were implemented:

There is no English map in Wiki, but if you speak German, you can get the picture:

As we see, Stalin was fully involved in this plan, and he demanded his share!

How could Germany be divided into two independent states, without Soviet invasion of East-Germany and the occupation of Poland?




At the Yalta Conference they just agreed to what was already planned:

 

name one single part of the Morgenthau Plan that was implemented.

Just one.

btw, the Morgenthau Plan was used as Nazi propaganda to get the Germans to keep fighting.

 

Read the Wiki- Article, I cannot paste the entire article.

Well, the Katyn-Massacre was also used by the NS-Propaganda.
Does that mean that the Soviets did not kill Polish officers?

 

the Wiki article says nothing about any part of the Morgenthau Plan being implemented,

somebody gave you Neo-Nazi propaganda and made believe it was truth.

 

They are just following our example.
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig13/grossman-z1.1.1.html

 

Vladimir Putin ‘Wants To Regain Finland’ Says Close Advisor
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vladimir-putin-wants-regain-finland-says-close-adviser-1442466


This article is here exposed as thin yet filthy War Mongering puked out by IBTimes
To suit a dirty Corporate agenda attempting to demonize Russia


Illiaronov has been making this types of absurd statements all the time. He's a former
advisor who fell out with Putin and since then he's been writing a lot of things like this.
The Russian people would not support any type of involvement with Finland. The
Government wouldn't. NATO would intervene militarily.

Absurd propaganda such as this is meant to scare people and make people think
that Putin has gone off to conquer the entire world. Thereby justifying their evil intents

(& we all know what believing Absurdities can lead to )

If you read the article it actually sounds stupid, the title is misleading as hell "Putin said
several times that the Bolsheviks and Communists made big mistakes. He could well
say that the Bolsheviks in 1917 committed treason against Russian national interests by
providing Finland's independence"

Basically this article is about what Putin might say hypothetically based on the opinion
of a man who is known to make statements that have little to do with reality.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/21pg7n/vladimir_putin_wants_to_regain_finland_says_close/


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