Vote: is prostitution acceptable or unacceptable?

No, you silly fool.
You are NOT supposed to change your mind based upon anything I have posted on this, or any other, web forum.

What you are SUPPOSED to do is apologize for being a rude and obnoxious jerk.

You may feel that you have the upper moral hand, your being an expert international white slavery-ring buster and crime fighter and all, and who knows? You may well have.
But I don't give you permission to go all high and mighty on me.

You are a rude, ungracious little (*)(*)(*)(*)-ant as far as I am concerned.
That will be my opinion, at least until you learn some manners.

I'll wait here for your apology.

 

I do have "moral" hangups. I think its interesting that people are in favor of all kinds of government intervention in our lives ( I am in favor of many myself) but as soon as it comes to limiting people selling their bodies for someone else's sexual pleasure we have just gone way too far. The question was whether I think prostitution is acceptable, I said no. That is not me being nosy or not minding my own business anymore than you saying it doesn't bother you. So do not tell me to mind my own business, that makes no sense, and if this were the case, then you should mind your own business for telling me to mind my own business.

 

I respect whores more than sluts. One is at least genuine in intent and purpose. So as long as the woman or man isn't forced, yes I believe it to be acceptable. I picked the 2nd one down. You don't want brothels next to elementary schools, but red light districts I think are fare.

 

I have always been in favor of prostitution, especially in america where women use sex as a tool to control men. Legalizing it would level the playing field a bit and maybe American women would stop pretending their vagina is made of gold and guys should kiss their feet just to get it. If these guys can go pay a hundred or so $$ for it instead of hundreds of $$ on dinners, movies, and gifts for a woman, Im sure he would pick up the prostitute.

Not to mention, it should be completely legal to pay for something that can be given away for free otherwise. Legalizing it should include a lot of oversight such as regular STD testing and maybe even STD testing for those who wish to be clients before they are allowed to be with the prostitute. It should also include regulations on how brothel owners are to treat their employees and protections for the employees against customers and brothel owners.

 

Trafficking happens whether or not prostitution is legal or illegal.

Police should enforce the laws. Why do you want to blame legal Prostitutes earning an honest living for the actions of criminals.

Shame on you.

 

The effects of celibacy is best seen in the catholic church

Where the hell is the exploitation? not every woman is like you ( i guess you are a woman from what you posting ) don't use your thoughts do describe other's behaviour . I bet you have not met enough professionals to have your own idea .
Accept that many people don't need to be loved and don't care about "mutual respect" , i hate relationships and the whole thing of onegina makes me sick . Yes i am only interesting in having sex with super pretty women that afterwards will LEAVE , in case you don't get it prostitution before and above everything is paying a woman to leave after sex.

 

I just did. The State Department report is more valid than most websites, surely.

 

I'm not in favor of most government intervention. I just favor intervention in protecting rights and the environment.

What people choose to do with their personal lives and what careers they pick are up to them.

I don't believe in regulating "victimless crimes."

 

You have got it backwards. Prostitution is the empty use of men. All the man gets is a brief moment of pleasure where the woman gets a large amount of cash for a very small amount of work.

Clearly the man is the victim. Is a giving a little rub and tug after a massage any worse than collecting garbage ?

For 10 minutes of work the woman can hundreds of dollars. The garbage collector has to work all day long to make that kind of money.
It is the men that are getting the short end (no pun intended) of the stick here having to pay so much for such a small service.

If the prostitute is a single mother she only has to spend a small amount of time working and can spend the rest of the time caring for her child. Is it not a benefit to society that our children are better cared for ?

Using the services of a prostitute is really an act of charity in many cases. It is like paying the extra money when you buy chocolate almonds from the local school. You pay some extra money but you are supporting a good cause.

Same thing with a prostitute. You pay lots of money but get very little in return. But hey .. you are doing a good thing by helping a woman(or man in some cases) make ends meet.

What my view of a woman's vagina is, is irrelevent. It is not mine so I have no say in how it should be used. Some people use their hands for their work .. some people use their brains .. some use their vagina.

Why do you think you have the right to tell someone what part of their body they should be using to earn a living ?

 

I'm telling you prohibition creates most of the problems you are describing, and comparing communist 3rd world hell holes to the USA makes no sense. And the Mormon Church’s bank financed the city of Las Vegas when the mafia couldn’t get a loan from a reputable bank.

When alcohol was illegal, organized criminal empires were built, death and destruction became common place as criminal kingpins fought over the supplies, and in many places the product itself could "kill" you. That was all eliminated with the legalization of a product that should have never been illegal in the first place. Now instead of going blind from drinking bath tub gin, or being arrested for imbibing a drink or two, or being caught in the cross fire of a gang war, the average citizen can either choose not to partake, or visit their neighborhood liquor/grocery store, pay a tax, and utilize a relatively safe, legal product.

No difference here.

 

I wouldn't say either party is a "victim" if it's a consensual transaction.

Men pay whatever the market will bear (or bare).

 

A victim of market forces that are manipulated by bad legislation !!

In a fair and free economy/world prices would not be so high.

 

Eh... I can't say that I have experience with this market myself, but what I've read suggests that there are plenty of relatively cheap ones even in an illegal market.

I agree with you in general principle though.

Still, the irony of the current situation is that expensive escorts are the legal version of prostitution. In effect, the law looks the other way when the rich get involved.

So, even with laws against prostitution, the truth of the matter is that the rich will always be able to pay for sex. That's part of why making it illegal is not only futile but simply classist.

 

Indeed it is classist and it amazes me the prices these escorts charge. Available to anyone by watching a documentary or two.

The biggest problem for me is one of civil liberties .. life liberty and the persuit of happiness. What justification can be given to make it illegal for two consenting adults to exchange money for sex ?

Claiming "there are people that force women into prostitution" has nothing to do with a consentual agreement. Why should those who wish to engage in a consentual exchange be punished for the acts of criminals.

The double standard is an affront to the rule of law as is trying to police prostitution which normally involves some form of entrapment "going after Johns and making money off of the fines" rather than going after sex trafficking. Bad laws makes for bad precident and more bad laws .. slippery slope.

I would rather the police quit wasting my money going after "consentual exchange of money for sex" and tackle something where there is an actual victim.

What is also an issue is the double standard of blaming the customer only. In this day in age, when there are as many alternate work choices available to women as men, there is no reason for this double standard. If exchanging money for sex is a crime, then it is a crime for both parties.

We live in a society where a large percentage of women expect to get something in return for sex. "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"

In this way a prostitute is a far more honorable woman than many others because at least she is up front about it. You give me this .. I give you this .. rather than I gave sex to you now you have to marry me.. or be my boyfriend ..

Another version of the story is the man spends a ton of loot hoping to get sex and ends up getting nothing. heh heh skeaky devils those felines can be.

 

When I was helping my girlfriend run her guesthouse in Hungary, one of the travelers (a creepy guy), told me about how he had a girlfriend in Thailand during his 2 week visit there. She went with him everywhere in the country, and when it was time for him to leave, her family hosted him for dinner and he left what was for them a large sum of money.

 

This is very common in Thailand, especially in the southern touristy places. Young women will latch onto mainly western tourists and travel the country with them. Naturally the tourist will fork out for all expenses and buy gifts of jewellery, clothes and even mobile phones for the women. Of course the women sleep with the men. This is where the lines of prostitution and holiday girl friends are blurred. Some women make a career out of it.

The money thing isn't as sinister as you may think. It's a cultural thing. In the early days when I was just visiting Laos, upon leaving, the Lao I knew would host a party or dinner, including a Buddhist ritual called a baci. Envelopes containing money would be given to the honoured guest as a farewell gesture.

 

I suppose prostitution is acceptable to those who can't get sex any other way. Paying for sex? Man, I have trouble relating to that.

 

Your so e-host. gosh.

Too bad your not a secret agent millionaire astronaut cowboy pornstar like me... YEA!!!

 

It's not that I'm Don Juan DeMarco or anything like that, I just like to keep track of where my pee-pee ends up.

 

Well, I think the related issues to women in relationships depend more on how perceptive you are regarding the kind of women you date. If you're a good judge of character, you can find a woman that isn't materialistic. I had a pretty rewarding relationship with a woman who made more money than me. The stereotype is that women look for men with equal or more funds, but she clearly didn't view things that way. All she wanted was someone she could have fun with and could relate to well on a deep level. Unfortunately, immigration policy got in the way of things lasting for the long term, but I don't regret a single day of it.

 

Most men "pay" for sex in one form or another. (Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free)

The question is whether or not the price is negotiated before-hand.

Not everyone is "Don Juan Demarco" .. yet the need for release is just, if not more real. If that energy is not vented it will come out in other abberant ways. Often these folks will develop a hatred for women and some .. at some point.. snap and take what they want through force.

Sexual violent crime is higher in places where prostitution is banned or restricted.

In this way Prostitutes provide a valuable service by allowing potential violent sex offenders to release that pent up energy therby keeping these drives subdued.

A primary human drive is "Sense of belonging" .. if an individual does not find a way to "fit in" they become distanced from societal norms and this is a formula for disfunction.

 

Forgive me for finding it a bit humorous that the such a woman ends up being an immigrant. My gal is from Eastern Europe .. fortunately she has been here for 20years and also makes great money. It is a bit of a competition every year to see who makes more.

I had 3 older sisters growing up and have had a long history of great relationships with women and have many women friends. It is from these relationships that I have a pretty good idea (complete understanding is the holy grail of course) about where women are coming from.

Women are much more similar to men than they are different. Both are human .. both feel pain .. both struggle with life's problems.

The bottom line is that women are people .. and the average person is selfish, self serving, and so on.

If you can get something for nothing .. why not ?

 

There are a lot of sluts in America. I think the reason most men would like to see prostitution legalized is more for emotional reasons than physical. These loose women want a man to treat them as if they are the love of their life, even though at any moment she might throw you to the curb for no other reason than she wants to screw the neighbor. I think modern women, free from sexual restraints, have a far easier time turning on and off love. Basically, a man understands just screwing and leaving. A man understands moonlit walks on the beach with the person they will be with forever. A man has a really hard time with moonlit walks on the beach to be that 4th guy of the week and walk into the pub and see her with the 5th the next night. Sure, some men have been able to adapt, but I think a large chunk can't handle the grey of modern American relationships. They want black and white back. My 2 cents.

 

I think you're hanging out with the wrong women. Most women I know aren't like that.

Some women are materialistic, but as far as promiscuity goes, I know more men that sleep around than women. Granted, I do have more guy friends than female ones.

 

America is two nations masquerading as 1. Those with pretty nice lives, and those with dirty lives. I was speaking from the observations of being in the bottom half. I can only imagine how the better half live. I know the reasons why those in the immoral bottom camp want prostitution back. Emotional carnage.