WA florist who is being sued by the state for her religion files countersuit

Ignored you will be.

 

You would have a point about the discrimination had she not sold flowers to gay people before. But never less, it isn’t discriminating in this case because she doesn’t want to participate in a religions ceremony. She isn’t discriminating against gays, she has sold them to There is no such thing as a public business that is an oxymoron. If she broke this law, why are the criminal charges?

 

I suspect we need a real lawyer in cases like this. Would it be true that advertising a product to the public is an implied contract to sell that product to the public?

 

I don't think so. The term "implied contract" has an entirely different meaning.

In the case such as this, I believe you would have to assume that the ad is a voluntary forfeiture of inalienable rights. Impossible by definition.

 

I've said it many times and used this case as proof positive:

The people who support sodomy and deviance constantly say that "gay marriage won't affect you one bit." This case proves that that is nothing but a load of bullcrap.

 

Let me ask all you bleeding heart moonbats in here the following (though I doubt any of you will have the fortitude to answer):

Suppose the Washington State Nazi Socialist Party was having a convention and they want it to be fully catered and including floral arrangements. Could the caterer say "Sorry, but your beliefs disgust me so much that I refuse to perform services for your meeting"...? Could the florist say that same? Could the hotel or convention center refuse to allow such a gathering on their proerty?

Or, since being a nazi is a Constitutionally protected right in this country, would the caterer and florist and hotelier be forbidden to discriminate against them on the basis of their beliefs?

 

I think you would need to ask a lawyer. For myself, I would regard the beliefs as irrelevant. I'll sell to any customer who doesn't violate reasonable business rules. For example, if I ran a hotel, I'd ban rock groups notorious for tearing up the walls and furniture. As a florist, I'd ban anyone whose behavior damaged my products or drove away other customers.

Now, I suppose you might argue that where religious beliefs come into play, we have some potential conflicts. If one's religious belief demanded that eternal bliss could only be theirs if they destroyed every flower they could find, then if I wouldn't let them in my shop would I be protecting my inventory, or would I be violating their religious beliefs?

 

You are misrepresenting what has been said. Many here have pointed out that True Bigots suffer mental trauma at the very idea that those they hate are being accorded equal rights under the law. In this case, gay marriage would have affected nobody in any way, except the florist CHOSE to make everybody miserable that he possibly could, including himself. And here in Alabama, there are still plenty of people who suffer quite seriously at the intolerable notion of a black man in the White House. They can't understand why their god didn't smite everyone who voted for such deviance.

But those who go out of their way to be offended, suffering nothing but the offense they worked so hard to gin up, deserve all they get. Just serve the damn customer, take his money, and then serve the next one.

 

You have no right to flowers.

You have no right to another person's services or product.

 

Well, I guess I have higher standards than you. If I owned a hotel, I wouldn't let those basterds group up on my property and there isn't a court in the land that would make me.

 

Actually the refusal is a violation of state law as I understand.

 

Here's an actual quote from the Book of Mormon.

It says it right there, if the Christian Florist can deny business to gays because her bible says she can hate Homosexuality. Then Mormons will have the same right to deny business to blacks. Only fair and equal, right?

For the record, I never made the claim that all Mormon's hate blacks. I simply made the factual statement that the Book of Mormon explicitly speaks against blacks.

You're the one here who is misinformed about the Mormon religion.

 

I don't think either of our standards are higher or lower, they simply reflect different goals. My goal would be to fill rooms and make profits. Your goal would be to make a political statement.

 

only a raving moron believes Mormons don't like black people after all of the countless statements the church has made to the contrary.

and race is genetic. homosexuality is not. equating the two is an insult to blacks

 

can't argue the facts huh. typical

 

What a dishonest thread title!

 

She wouldn't be participating in the ceremony. Only the product of her labor would, and it has no religious beliefs that we can discern.

 

Perhaps, but I am wise enough to realize that by servicing a group of nazis, I could very easily be doing my own business more harm than good.

 

That may be true, but you wouldn't be applying "higher standards" in that case, you'd be making a straight profit-based business decision, just as I would. Most customers probably don't much care who once bought flowers here or stayed overnight here. They care if the place is clean and the price is good. In the medium to long run, turning away customers more or less arbitrarily is probably going to do more harm than good.

 

You further show that your bigotry is tied to ignorance. Me, or anyone else has ever stated that Mormons hate black people. I simply stated the fact that the Book of Mormon has made it very clear that being black is a sin. If we allow businesses to refuse their business to homosexuals because it violates their religious beliefs, then clearly Mormons would be well within their 'rights' to refuse black people service, because their religion states that being black is a sin.

With that being said, do you support the right for a business to turn down homosexuals for their religious beliefs, then you also support the same business turning down blacks because their religion speaks out so adamantly against Africans?

That's a bold statement, do you have proof or evidence that says Homosexuals is not genetic?

 

She was asked to provide flowers for a wedding. She wasn't forced to take part in the wedding, or even be there. She needs to get over her backwards beliefs and do her job.

 

I agree.

There is no excuse to refuse them...it is just plain...mean.

Makedee....PLEASE tell me you are not a GUY as I don't think I could take looking at such a beautiful woman's picture in your Avatar knowing you were a GUY! LOL!

AboveAlpha

 

So when the Mormons repudiate their holy book of God's ACTUAL words, we are "morons" to NOT believe them!

Even as YOU yourself claim that other religion's holy books (do I need to say which one? ) 100% define THOSE religions no matter WHAT the members of the religion say or do.

Of course, the lack of blacks in the headquarters of Mormonism might mislead some into thinking that the "Mark of Cain" attitude is not yet a thing of the past.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/15/in_utah_blacks_feel_the_race_sting/

 

AW CRAP!

Just looked at the AVATAR!

Why do you DO THAT!

Better be an ex-girlfriend! LOL!

AboveAlpha

 

I dont see how the state can order you to provide services, for any reason.