Wait to be bombed or bomb now?

The US shouldn't wait. Everyday the US waits the North Koreans move farther along with their nuclear weapons program and their missile capabilities.

There's nothing insane about ridding the world of a nuclear threat, while simultaneously liberating 25 Million people from the grip of a crazed dictator.

 

Granted, the threat from Iraq and Iran is not real, but the threat is real as it relates to North Korea, since they have tested five nuclear devices, and restarted their reactor to produce more weapons grade plutonium. In addition, North Korea has produced a fairly large quantity of Lithium 6, which would allow them to produce fission-fusion (thermonuclear) devices with higher yields.

 

Because to put it simply enough so that even a Trump could understand the probability that even if North Korea could at some point actually attack The US the probability of an actual attack would be about zero.

 

Attacking Guam, Japan, SK, etc is an attack on the US.

 

Not to mention conventional arms pointed at SK

http://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/north-korea-artillery_us_58f631a4e4b0b9e9848eb990

 

Your senario certainly poses many questions.

http://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/north-korea-artillery_us_58f631a4e4b0b9e9848eb990

 

So you think we should invade a sovereign nation because they have WMD's and we should liberate their people.

I knew Americans had the memories of flies, but wow...it's hard not to agree that Americans deserve everything they get.

 

I think every case is different. Certainly IRAQs WMDs was a disaster. But apples arent oranges IMO

 

Same crap dude, same old propaganda trying to sucker people in. Our concern isn't about NK sending a nuke to LA, assuring their own annihilation 3 minutes later. Our concern is purely imperialistic and geopolitical, about maintaining power and influence in the region. Nothing more.

That being said, true, NK and Iraq aren't the same, NK has 200,000 well trained troops and modern weapons out the wazoo, not to mention potential nuclear weapons it could lob at South Korea killing a million people.

We ain't walking in there and just rolling the tanks up to the capital. That massive army will fight to the death, on their home turf. It would cost tens of thousands of Americans lives. Trillions of dollars.

And then there's China, Russia, and other nations agenda and interests, and the potential for WWIII. Not to mention there's a whole lot of South Koreans who would take up arms in a heartbeat against the US if we invaded.

The idea of armed conflict with NK is insane. And thankfully, the military apparently knows this, as it's now being reported trump was lying about "sending an armada" of military to the peninsula.

 

ZERO chance of "War" with N. Korea.

NONE. Period.

 

And if China intervenes on the side of the North again, then what... risk war with China?

 

Don't worry, with reports showing that trump had nothing to do with authorizing that bomb in Afghanistan, and that he completely lied about ordering an "armada" heading to NK, it's pretty clear that like the last republican moron Bush, the neocons have Trump sitting at the kids table playing with crowns while they make the decisions.

"Yes Mr President, that's right, tell the people you made a big boom-boom in Afghanistan and got all the bad guys. Good boy..."

Lol

 

"he completely lied about ordering an "armada" heading to NK, it's pretty clear"

Completely?...you either do or you dont lets not exaggerate. I dont think some people have any appreciation of military strategies. In this case it was highly likely Trump listened to then agreed with his naval commanders to tell the world the USS Carl Vinson fleet was doing a u-turn in the south China sea but instead went to Northern Australia.
I dont know such detail why, no evidence here, but being ex Air Force heavily involved in maintenance of publications I can safely assume that decision was cleverly thought out. Eg it could have been made so the Carl Vinson would arrive in the conflict area the same time the fleets of Uss Reagan and another fleet arrive or maybe it was a ploy to see what China is going to do...if so then it worked and got China reacting.
Since my Air Force days I've never assumed too much.
I'll give you an example. The Falklands war. A British helicopter supposedly crash landed on the Argentinian coast. Some thought it was stupid piloting. In fact they set fire to the chopper and set up a radar device some distance away. That radar unit was critical to the early warnings of enemy aircraft leaving to attack and saved many lives.

So Trump may have lied for good reason.

Lets be clear, I know where you are coming from with a history of untruths but its justified with military strategies.

 

Would it be so bad if the west coast was gone?

 

Such insight. You might consider passing on your crystal ball to Chinese authorites and Russia. They are going to a lot of trouble at the moment on their borders.

 

Yes. The bold and the beautiful soap might end....

 

Our last car was a Kia, now I ride a Honda (Japan success story). Korea, the part we saved seems fine, nice cars, and they can make wings for the P3 too. South Vietnam would look the same if it wasn’t for the “liberals” too, just ask any Tran working at Lockheed. Panama, you are right Carter (“liberals”), we should have kept the canal like John Wayne wanted. Lebanon, funny the Lebanese engineer where I used to work didn’t seem to blame us. Nicaragua, once again, Carter! And by all means check out the US News and World Reports for the period showing all the RED; Jamaica? Afghanistan and Iraq, and again Carter! Iran, CARTER!



Air France is so nice.

“Glory be to the Bomb, and to the Holy Fallout. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. World without end. Amen.”

Jacques Chirac was mayor of Paris in 1979.

February 1979: “David Frum writes in his recent review of David Pryce-Jones’s book Betrayal: France, the Arabs, and the Jews:

Pryce-Jones demonstrates that French foreign policy has repeatedly arrived at nearly equally perverse results in the Middle East. When Saddam Hussein banished Ayatollah Khomeini from Iraq in 1978, France welcomed the turbaned zealot. In France, the ayatollah discovered limitless freedom to agitate: As he himself later said, ‘We could publicize our views extensively, much more than we expected.’ Pryce-Jones quotes a study by Amir Taheri that the ayatollah gave 132 radio, television, and print interviews over the four months of his stay in France. He received almost 100,000 visitors, who donated over 20 million British pounds to his cause. In February 1979, the ayatollah returned to Iran in a chartered Air France jet; an Air France pilot held his elbow as he descended the steps to the tarmac.” http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1857

June 30, 1979: “a weary Jimmy Carter was looking forward to a few days' vacation in Hawaii, as Air Force One sped him away from a grueling economic summit in Tokyo. He had earned it. Two weeks earlier, Carter had successfully concluded the SALT II arms control negotiations with Soviet Premier Leonid Brezhnev in Vienna, the latest in a series of foreign policy achievements since the dramatic Camp David summit the previous September.

Aboard the plane, the phone rang. It was Carter's pollster, Patrick Caddell. "I remember getting on the phone and saying, 'You people have got to come home now,'" Caddell recalls. "We were all saying the same thing: 'You have no idea how bad it is here.'"

The Energy Crisis

That week, the energy crisis that Carter had been trying to avoid since taking office had finally erupted. The OPEC oil producers' cartel had recently announced another in a series of oil price increases that sent gasoline prices skyrocketing and led to severe shortages. Long gas-pump lines and short tempers started in California and spread eastward, focusing Americans' outrage over a seemingly endless economic decline.”

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/peopleevents/e_malaise.html

July 16, 1979: “Saddam Hussein becomes president of Iraq, after engineering the resignation of president Hasan al-Bakr.” http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/page/0,12438,793802,00.html

“How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen”

“Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/brzezinski.html

In addition, let us not forget Hamas:

“DUBLIN, Ireland -- Former President Jimmy Carter accused the U.S., Israel and the European Union on Tuesday of seeking to divide the Palestinian people by reopening aid to President Mahmoud Abbas' new government in the West Bank while denying the same to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.

Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize winner who was addressing a human rights conference in Ireland, also said the Bush administration's refusal to accept Hamas' 2006 election victory was ‘criminal.’"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/20/AR2007062000233.html

Whatever you do, do not forget the link between the Democrats (the party of treason) and the only place on the Internet on 9/11 where you could find the authorization for use of force for 9/11, South Movement:

July 1997, South Movement, "the path of Jihad and proper action": "Those who desire to face up to the Zionists conspiracies, intransigence, and aggressiveness must proceed towards the advance centers of capabilities in the greater Arab homeland and to the centers of the knowledge, honesty and sincerity with whole heartiness if the aim was to implement a serious plan to save others from their dilemma or to rely on those capable centers; well-known for their positions regarding the enemy, to gain precise concessions from it with justified maneuvers even if such centers including Baghdad not in agreement with those concerned, over the objectives and aims of the required maneuvers." (On the 29th anniversary of Iraq's national day (the 17th of July 1968 revolution). President Saddam Hussein made an important comprehensive and nation wide address) http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/countries/Iraq/speech.htm

September 2001: "Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General...David Muller, South Movement, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia" http://www.workers.org/ww/2001/call1004.php

 

Remember that carrier group steaming toward N. Korea? Turns out they were steaming toward Africa and are in the middle of the Indian Ocean.

Now, if the threat were real...

A thermonuclear bomb is a defensive weapon. NK has no reason to use one of these weapons except, just as in the case of the US, they are facing attack.

You are being played. Surely after 30 years you recognize the game?

 

And?

 

Don't know why I bothered with an ellipsis, there's nothing of value in the remainder but still...

Korea is divided and S. Korea's government just threw out ANOTHER leader for corruption.
We got our butts kicked in Vietnam.
Japan is still under US occupation.
Etc., Etc., Etc.

It is "the people" who decide who and how they are governed. When the US makes that decision it turns out bad for all involved.

 

This jury is out...undecided which is obvious from my short reply. A right of reply is free speech, a right of reservation is free also. If I commented hesitantly I'm sure you'd jump on it. Chill bro. Its ok. I enjoy debate which is absorbing both sides of the fence. Try it.

 

Mmm Africa is a long way from north Western Australia.
"Middle of the Indian Ocean."
Dont think so.

Most with knowledge of the operations think tank of military know and expect every trick in the book from their commanders.
Eg. By fooling so many that the CV fleet was on its way to the possible conflict zone China has made moves both politically and with border troops. USA now knows Russia is moving items to their border. Also the sailing of that fleet to SK now could mean it will meet up with the two other fleets. Have some faith man!
I dont see any wisdom in questioning the wisdom of experts in their field.

 

Perhaps, if the jury is still out, it might be a good idea to stop building the gallows.

 

Wisdom?

The fact that the group was and is still steaming AWAY from Korea implies there was never any serious intent of a confrontation.

It's not "their" wisdom I question. It is ours for letting "them" pull the same quarter from behind our ears for 30 years. Maybe its time we question whether there ever was a quarter there?