Wait to be bombed or bomb now?

Help me out here, I must be missing something? Even some friends of mine look alarmed when I suggest war with North Korea is "necessary". "What, killing people"? one replied..."the USA doesnt need another war" states another.

Ok. The alternative senario. Its 2021 and Jong un launches 3 of his dozen or so ICBM missiles. Seattle, Sanfrancisco and Guam or Hawaii is not hirt, they are wiped off the face if the earth. During my Australian Air Force days (43 years ago) we were given film of the power of such bombs...many times bigger than that dropped on Japan in 1945.

Wouldnt anyone in their logical mind accept that following 20 years of persuasion/sanctions the rogue state, that has clearly stated its ICBM plans against the US, will bomb it along with allied countries?

So, why are many people alarmed over Trump attending to the problem now. What is the better timing than now? What further diplomatic measures could be taken that havent been tried?

Obama did tell Trump that NK would be his biggest challenge.

Your thoughts. I'm genuinely interested in your views why the US should wait.

 

(Emphasis by sizing is mine.)

Wombat...I wouldn't feel comfortable with Donald Trump attending to a barbecue pit during a backyard summer party...let alone a major world problem like the one on the Korean peninsula.

Just sayin!

 

lol perfectly said

 

However do we know if Einstein could boil water? Trump's ability could be his belief that the military experts know more than him?

 

We need to have them use a nuke on an ally or us first, then we have the excuse to go in and take them out and use such weapons ourselves and far more important will force the Chinese to act and likely invade the North Koreans before we can do so. I seriously want the Chinese in there they will take better care of the common people than their own government did and a puppet government they use will be at least under the command as a puppet to a better choice than their leader and the military cadre behind him there is now.

 

Thanks, Bobby.

I dread what is happening over on the peninsula. I am hoping that one or more of those North Korean generals we see parading around all the time finally take matters into their own hands...and rid their nation (and the world) of a very large problem.

 

But it doesnt answer the question

 

What's next, you going to trot out Condoleezza Rice and Dick Cheney to warn us of the looming "mushroom clouds" over NYC? That the North Korean's will treat us like heroes and welcome us with flowers? That it will all only take a few weeks and maybe 50 billion dollars?

You're naivety would be adorable if it were not so dangerously rampant on the right.

The geopolitical realities of the US going to war with NK are far too dangerous and complex for me to bother spelling out here.

One can only hope our media does its job this time. So far, obviously they are not.

 

Can only hope. Trump likely has his eyes on the gold medals the generals are wearing...

 

Left, right, middle right....who cares, an answer to the question might be an idea?

 

This is what I miss most about Obama. You knew you could always rest your head at night and know the country was in good hands, in fact I'd argue the best possible hands.

 

Starting a war with NK would be pure insanity. There's your answer.

 

Like I said it comes down to China if they use a nuke or more on various targets if we go in we will not stop until our troops are literally on their border OR they invade hard and gut them and move to the DMZ and park their troops there and the latter option in the long run to me is better than we having to commit troops and face it they would eliminate any future threat, from those nutcases, and take care of their common people even if its to show they are better.

 

Pretty disturbing that you're rooting for NK to nuke a city like, I assume, Seoul, a modern city of tens of millions of people simply to give America an "excuse" to go to war.

Its equally disturbing that you seem to think there are no other global actors involved here with their own interests and agendas.

What's going on here is NK is crying for attention, looking for a seat at the international table of power, and nukes are the only way they can get it. And Trump, being the moron who can be baited by a celebrity tweet at 3am, is of course taking the bait hook, line and sinker.

So now we have Trump trying to play tough guy, a game of oneupmanship between two insanely unhinged men who have no business being in the positions of power they are in for this very reason.

All the while China is openly mocking Trump and Putin is laughing his a$$ off, and the rest of the world prays this imbecile in our White House doesn't start WWIII.

 

It doesnt answer the question at all, very common on this site. What would be the reason in delaying tackling the problem later? Are you putting all hope on diplomacy within the next 4 years (as an example)

 

I see logic there in your post but....what would be the advantage in waiting 4 years?
I think thats the same question he asked but he is saying that justification for action would be more clear cut.

 

Yes, there's nothing safer than letting a despot threaten you with nuclear annihilation all the while testing a delivery system and finalizing a weaponized payload. You're funny!

 

Like most Americans you only know the propaganda you are taught. And even if you had the intellectual curiosity to research and understand the reality of global politics, as an American you likely would be unable to ever see things from anyone's perspective but America's.

I'll just say this. The US has had nukes pointing at NK since I Love Lucy was on TV. It would be insane for NK not to attempt to make their own as a deterrent.

Also, both Carter and Clinton contained NK's nuclear program through diplomacy. It was Bush who came in and blew up that agreement and labeled them part of the "axis of evil".

The idea that NK's plan with their nuclear program is to just randomly launch nukes at the US or anyone else, thereby assuring their own complete annihilation within minutes, is beyond absurd.

Thats pure, laughable propaganda.

 

I know a despot when I see one.

As they should.

They contained the nuclear weapon program? No they didn't. He's testing nuclear capabilities as we speak.

Randomly? NK specifically said they will launch nuclear weapons at the US mainland the first chance they get.

Yes, your comments are pure laughable propaganda.

 

What happens in 4 years?

There are diplomatic solutions, Carter/Clinton successfullly froze the NK nuke program for years through diplomacy and treating them with basic respect. And then bush came in and destroyed it.

 

There are "despots" all over the world.

Lol, Carter and Clinton were presidents long ago sport. NK testing nukes now has nothing to do with their diplomatic accomplishments in the 90's, prior to Bush destroying them.

No, NK said if the us ATTACKED, they would retaliate. Big difference.

 

Fair enough. But obama wasnt hostile towards NK and they still advanced their nuclear program.

 

Obama tried to contain them in various ways, for example with cyber warfare against their various weapons systems. That being said, my guess is his route would have been diplomatic, similar to what Carter and Clinton did, but politically it would have been impossible with the furiously hostile right wing extremists in congress.

He probably figured he could only either go after the Iran or NK nuke problems, and he chose Iran as they are the more strategic to our interests and republicans would have to at least support the effort.

 

Well this despot is making specific threats against our mainland. He's got to go.

NK is under sanction because they violated UN law. So yes, they're breaking the law.

Yes, they threatened to use nuclear weapons. They're quite stupid for suggesting nuclear war. If they had followed the law and kept their big fat regime mouth shut, they wouldn't be in this mess. Nor would their people be starving.

 

what is insane is existing nuclear powers allowing weaker countries to become nuclear powers on their watch.

the existing nuclear powers should negotiate economic and military agreements to prevent nuclear armament of weaker countries.