was confucius "woke?"

Yet you provide no worthy rebuttal. I saw woke folk a burn bibles in Oregon, saw black owned businesses burned out all across the nation by woke activists. Woke are attempting to dismantle the nuclear family through assaults upon their children via socalled gender affirming care which in the end is little more than an attempt to sterilize a good chunk of the population in the name of the word equity whose real meaning is almost entirely in the eye of the beholder but as a general rule appears to means whatever you do it will never be enough.

 

did they have a choice or was it a requirement?

 

That's easy what it appears to consist of Is two simple state. One, We're right you're wrong. And Two, We will make your life a living hell if you don't agree with us.

 

The answer is in the paragraph you quoted.

 

So it doesn’t apply to anyone when you use it then.
Gotcha.

 

the only "living hell" i see is the texas or florida that these people and their families are now enduring.

 

Nice try I speak of that which I see and hear from the mouths of the woke themselves and what they show by there actions.

 

What people would that be?

 

By that definition, its no one here, or anyone that represents the left.

 

why? who is the maga target group this week?

 

If one burns a Bible, isn't that a form of political free speech?

The problem most Americans who are Christians is that they do not know the other religions except what is told to them by a pastor or some form of teaching when going through membership class. Churches have gotten into a nasty habit of explaining their profession of faith by comparing it to other professions of faith and then stating unequivocably that their profession of faith is superior to others and is the only "right way." This is apparently evident in evangelical theology and teaching, and you can see it occasionally when they speak ill of Islam or other professions of faith.

Woke by definition is aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues. The conservatives think woke means multiculturalism, CRT, or accepting groups that conservatives don't like such as blacks in general for instance. But that is not woke, that is social isolationism, or nativism with a false word and definition called "woke."

Accepting people of different faiths and different backgrounds does not mean you approve of their lifestyle or actions, but it does mean you give them the social respect they should have in society, or being "civil" in nature. Christ did this. He went against the social norms that the Pharisees and Sadducees taught by not intermingling with people who were not of the Jewish faith. Why do you think he associated himself with people who did sin such as Mary Magoline who washed Jesus's feet but was criticized by Peter for it?

 

Denial is indeed more than a river in Egypt.

 

My favorite is:
"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves."

 

Like how you attempt to deny that you have no idea what ur talking about.
Or how MAGA denies relying on fascism for their policies to be effective huh.

 

Fascism is what the left does. Fascism is remarkable for its reliance on joint public private partnerships, that is the Democrat parties Hallmark since the great depression. Hence the lock step devotion of much of the medical to Fauci even though he was wrong more often than not..

 

The “in your face” goes both ways. Plenty of woke states who would love to have them.

 

As I understand it, it isn't 'the woke' who is claiming the numbers of genders. They (we) are simply accepting people as they are. We aren't afraid of them. They aren't the boogey man trying to kill us or groom our kids. They are people who think and feel differently than the majority of people do. That doesn't make them the enemy and are no less worthy of our compassion and our attempts and understanding them. And certainly no less deserving of our respect.

 

Then the left has a contradiction on its hands as fascism and liberty aka "body autonomy" cant coexist. Heck, the fact the left is taking steps to abolish prohibition directly contradicts your allegations. Seems like you are full of it.

Oops it coexists perfectly though for MAGA types who wish for Desantis nanny state, or support Texas policies on body autonomy and prohibition.

 

I would agree that even as little as 20 years ago, the left was nearly universally geared towards more freedom and liberty. But I am not so sure of that today. There IS a big increase in authoritarianism on the left nowadays, as well as a movement curtailing rather than advocating for free speech. It's a real problem for those of us who are still Liberty based liberalis.

 

But Desantis isnt of the left...
Florida Is Trying to Take Away the American Right to Speak Freely
March 4, 2023

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/04/opinion/desantis-florida-free-speech-bill.html

 

The right has always been against free speech. The left used to be for it.

 

Oh please, anyone familiar with the history of China during the time of Confucius is acutely aware there was no concept of left and right politics then.
Quit making **** up.

Oh, I don't now about that, but what you DO have are rank generalities which have no substantive value.

 

There is no such thing as absolute free speech. All the first amendment says is that the Government cannot create a law that limits it, but with exceptions, the SC says rights are not absolute and the gov can allow limitations where speech can injure, such as laws against hate speech and discrimination. That doesn't mean YT, or TikTok, or FB can delete a post because they don't like it for some reason. .

 

They are the best explanation for the left 's attack on Western Culture.

Then who is trying to groom the children?

 

I will remind you, that what we were discussing, was a definition of the word "woke." Personally, except when I am part of a discussion about it, I do not generally even use the word "woke," so I am not purporting to put forth any coverall definition. But I believe that use of this term, is inconsistent. I connect wokeness with the old "political correctness," or, cultural sensitivity. You, however, gave a much less general "definition," which included the destroying of all other loyalties in society. I called this patently bunk. Most who are called "woke," do not fit your description. Therefore, I asked you to make your definition more detailed, by including what would differentiate those with what might be called a "social conscience," who are not trying to bring society tumbling down, from those who would fit your definition of "woke." Your reply offers no examples of the former, only the latter.* Therefore, say what you will about my rebuttal, it is your reply, which utterly fails.

I will offer you this opportunity one more time, to DISTINGUISH those with a social conscience, or who are considerate of differences in different cultural perspectives, but who do not meet the basic threshold, stipulated in your initial definition of "woke," with those who do fit your definition. I will add that whatever it is you are thinking of as "woke," clearly is not the universal meaning. I think I am far from being alone, for example, *to not, as a rule, consider those burning Bibles, or buildings, as being "woke." This is why your much greater clarification is necessary. I will add that you provided those supposed examples, with no other context, so not only am I forced to interpret them, as given, but this also shows the weakness of your detailing, even of who, in your opinion, constitute the woke, in your own mind. Or were you saying that it is the burning of buildings or Bibles which, to your mind, makes a person "woke?"

If your next reply, once more, offers no differentiation between those who you consider, by your given definition, as being woke, from the more general population who are commonly referred to, as the "woke"-- a large portion of the populations of both coastlines, to start-- then I will only be able to assume that you are afraid to speak plainly, or that you are unable to follow a straightforwardly expressed idea, argument, and request. Either case, would of course indicate the pointlessness, of my continuing to attempt a dialog.