Was Jesus God?

That's a given.

It's in their writings.

 

i like jesus, you're the one(s) that dont.

Lying with his name, is rude.

book of the dead, said the same thing....... OMG

wanna put your life on that?

that is natural

what if i told you, i was the name holder?

a lie professed by selfish morons, is an insult

I hate liars

i like it
i love it
i want some more of it



Have ya ever been humble enough realize that you could be on the wrong side?

Think about it.

That means, you calling jesus the christ, is wrong. Nothing negative towards jesus as he aint the one doing the 'false witness'. Heck, i learned forgiveness (dont practice it as often as i should), from the biblical concepts that are per se from jesus.

But i want you to sit back and wonder, could you be wrong? When you go thru that humility, then talk about 'god'.

 

per the beliefs/stories: forgiveness of sins

it's the big sales pitch

I wasnt there. But i do know more have died for not accepting that story, than saved.

jesus NEVER claimed to be messiah.

Show it!

if he did, then i could call him a liar

but instead, it is just the wingnut pukes that are doing the lying (false witness)

up until about the 1800's, some put bells on the surface, with a string attached to the body, in the coffin below.

2000 yrs ago, they didnt realize bathing reduced plague or even how to diagnos a 'death'. A person can pass out and be considered dead, simply because they could not awaken the person.

christians are persecuted because of many reasons. What you are doing on this thread, here for all to see, conveying in false witness, is a perfect example.

 

that's a lie

it is almost like claiming a big bang began it all

breathing is nature/god

Proof: I can stop your breath, with more force, than any god.

all the good still exist

ie.... morals and commands are manmade (book of the dead: egyptian ...... about 2000 yrs before anything of torah)

i aint

you're the one using his name in vain

He aint me

and man wrote that story line, too

and i can accept that the story is manmade because no god, no jesus, not even moses, wrote a word of the story

LIke i said, be humble, just for a minute, to comprehend that you are on the wrong side

no such thing as a satan, except to the liar!

 

Forgiveness of sins is a lot better than hatred and contempt.

Many died for many things and Christians by the thousands were targeted for refusing to stop worshipping and following Jesus Christ.

Jesus never said he isn't the Messiah.

His crucifixion and resurrection.

You have been doing that from the every beginning, you have no facts to back up your claims that is equivalent to lying.

That is why I have to stop the lying pukes by presenting factual truths.

And Jesus was crucified, speared in the heart and left to die on the cross and on the third day he resurrected, medically Jesus is a genius religiously he proof he is the Son of God he predicted his own death and resurrection not even the great Houdini can match Jesus feat because Jesus is for real.

What I am doing here is to counter all the lies, distortion, inverted thoughts and torment being launch against Catholics and not to give in to verbal bullies or threat to stop sharing the truth.

 

but if you stop committing them, no one holds contempt.

You know that false witness is wrong, and you are making religious statements as if it is real but are actually bold faced lies.

You aint witnessing for and of jesus, but of religion.

not a one i know died for jesus.

They are dying for the beliefs, and not in jesus.

Jesus aint god, nor ever was any more than any human being.

He lives in contributing knowledge, not by being a god.

i never said i aint the president of the US of A.

did you see it?

you aint doing much of anything but making a fool of yourself

 

People have died for countless beliefs through the ages - does that make all of them true?

 

if they were, that 16,901 virgin/wives thing would be righteous

and if you pulled it off, there aint a person alive that could say, you aint a god.

 

And yet they can not accept it if it is clearly stated that Jesus of Nazareth was crucified because of blasphemy for claiming to be Son of God to be the Messiah.

 

So goes the fairy tale. So what?

 

That is why I have to keep on sharing the truth to stop all the contempt, hatred, lies and distortion against Our Lord Jesus Christ.

I know it is wrong to false witness but you don't seem to know that is why what I presented about Jesus Christ is true and real.

The one true religion of God the religion of Jesus Christ = Catholicism.

Just like there are still many holocaust deniers.

Their belief is worshipping and believing in Jesus Christ just like Jesus Christ died for us so did thousands of Christians.

You said that many times and you are wrong because you have no facts to back up your claim except for your contempt and hatred for Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God and humans are not gods (Mormons believe humans can become gods)

Jesus from the very beginning live as Son of God and fulfilling the prophecy to deliver us from our sins.
Luke 2: 43-49
[43] After the Feast was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. [44] Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. [45] When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. [46] After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. [47] Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. [48] When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you."

[49] "Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?"

Because you are not every body knows that that is why they ignore you. Unlike Jesus Christ every body knows including the Pharisees that Jesus is God and that is why they many tried to destroy him spiritually, physically and scripturally they all failed.

Yes, I see and felt Jesus crucifixion and resurrection "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe".

On the contrary fools are being expose by my truth.

 

I'm totally confused.

The authors I listed in the post are Christians, theologians, and Christian Apologists.

They most certainly do accept the fact that JESUS CHRIST was crucified, and resurrected. NOT only was HE crucified for blasphemy, but it was to fulfill the Scriptures and Prophecies. It's in the authors writings.

Where's and what's the problem?!

 

So what? well if it is a fairy tale the Jesus Christ story would have already faded just like the gods and goddesses of the past.
Atheist scientist and scholars have agree that the resurrection did happen they just don't agree it is something miraculous or religious they believe there must by some collusion between Jesus, his selected followers and with Pontius Pilate wife or some powerful Roman citizen in that area.

Modern medicine have discover an ailment related to catalepsy. Jesus according to atheist scholars has this access to knowledge to this medical condition and treatment that is why Jesus was specific that in 3 days he will resurrect and it happen according to that immediately after his heart stop his followers took him down from the cross to give him the antidote or medication that would revive him in 3 days.

Remember, Jesus Christ went missing at age 13 - 26 or 27 he suddenly re-appear as an adult with great knowledge and wisdom, scholars agree that Jesus 25+ years was untraceable they do agree that in that 25+ years Jesus was not idle or was doing nothing he was learning some extra ordinary skill and knowledge that include science and medicine.

If Jesus Christ had learn all this the question is who taught him?.....God?

 

If you've experience what born again Christians have experienced, you would understand.

I don't expect you to understand.

Of course Christians love JESUS. HE is the very FOUNDATION of our FAITH, for HE is the LIVING WORD.

 

If you've experienced what born again Christians have experienced, you would understand.

I don't expect you to understand.

Of course Christians love JESUS. HE is the very FOUNDATION of our FAITH, for HE is the LIVING WORD.

By the way, we're NOT on the wrong side, nor are we wrong.

You will see.

 

Don't I wish.

This sounds like a hypothesis to explain the resurrection in mundane terms, kind of like the volcanism-based explanation I've heard for Egypt's seven plagues. I think anyone who does this is making an ass of himself, though, as he's attempting to explain something that likely never actually happened in the first place and is sadly lending credence to unfounded mythological claims. You have to remember that when the bible was first being formulated and written down, there was no clear distinction between mythology and history. There was no way to verify the claims made, and the claims being made were often of cultural and religious significance. To question them was punishable by death..

Jesus's story is a story, not history. Like other solar hero figures, his childhood wasn't nearly as important as his miraculous birth and his adult life, just as the sun doesn't yet have power from the time of Winter Solstice up until shortly before Spring Equinox, when winter finally begins to subside and the sun's power becomes tangible. Jesus was born at Winter Solstice, his parents and the serpent (Virgo, Bootes and Serpens) being present in the night sky in December. Serpens (Satan, also King Herod in the nativity story) waited to devour the child at birth (as per Revelation 12, as well as King Herod's mythical attempt to have baby Jesus killed). This failed, however, as described in both the nativity stories and in Revelation 12, again, when the mother and her baby flee with divine help. After this, baby Jesus/the sun simply grow from relative powerlessness and infancy to adulthood, when the sun Jesus is baptised by John the Baptist (Aquarius) in the spring. As you may be aware, the sun is in the House of Aquarius in early spring. Following this, he ascended in power, running around all summer preaching and performing miracles, gaining followers, etc. Then came fall, when he had his encounter with Judas, (Scorpio), who gave him the scorpion's kiss of betrayal. He is also pierced by Sagittarius's arrow. Winter comes on as the sun is dragged down, beaten and weakened, and finally it is killed, crucified on the cross of the zodiac on Winter Solstice, where it is 'dead' for three days, during which time the sun in the sky has reached its nadir, neither descending nor ascending, but after the third day it begins to ascend again.

Christianty is an astrological fable, Jesus the guy representing the sun in its annual course through the zodiac. Period. There are plenty more details to this than what I've gone over here - just see the website I've linked in my sig. There's a LOT of info there.

 

It is an hypothesis for anti Christ people who just can not accept the Biblical and historical facts that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, these anti Christ live within their own bubble full of myth, lies, fables, inverted thoughts and mundane logic. The Bible was written to separate the many fables that existed at that time and to reveal the truth.

Jesus story will always be none historical to all anti Christ and will always be related to mythology that is why the Son of God will triumph and replace the god of sun thus the mythological Sun, Aquarius, Neptune, Pluto, Mars will all be replace with the true factual and historical Jesus Christ the Son of God the only True and One God.

Please reveal all your details so I can refute them all and present that it is all paganism and it was due to all of this twisted thought and false gods that people have been worshipping or following is why God send His only begotten Son Jesus Christ to finally reveal the truth and save our souls from Satan. All those mythological claims about God that you have presented is basically what Stan is all about that is why Satan was cast out of Heaven and Paradise and the noly realm Satan has is this earth.

 

You haven't refuted anything I've posted so far. Why should I post more? Go read.

 

thats a lousy tactic.
feeling corned by wanren?

ahahahahahaha

 

You're referring to the "zeitgeist" movie.

It's pretty pathetic and disgusting, even pagan. Cults believe in these lies and deception.

Look at it this way. Our CREATOR, the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, made a mockery of ALL man's wisdom and explanations and their pagan gods, which are nothing more than idols of wood and stone, that cannot speak, hear, talk, or think, putting them to shame.

1 Corinthians 1:18 - 25

Christ the Power and Wisdom of God
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”[a]

20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Corinthians 3:18 - 21a.

Avoid Worldly Wisdom
18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”; [a] 20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” 21 Therefore let no one boast in men.

Romans 1:19-21

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

 

I'm NOT picking on you, WanRen, but just to prove a point. We're on the same side. We're both Christians.

If it can be remembered, remember JESUS, as a boy, was with HIS parents, Mary and Joseph. They went to Jerusalem every year for the Feast of the Passover. This time, HE was 12 years old.

HE already had the knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. HE is GOD, and HE knew HE was. That's why HE told HIS parents, "Did you not know that I must be about MY Father's business?"

Luke 2:41 - 50

The Boy Jesus Amazes the Scholars
41 His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. 42 And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast. 43 When they had finished the days, as they returned, the Boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem. And Joseph and His mother[l] did not know it; 44 but supposing Him to have been in the company, they went a day’s journey, and sought Him among their relatives and acquaintances. 45 So when they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking Him. 46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. 47 And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. 48 So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.”

49 And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?” 50 But they did not understand the statement which He spoke to them.

JESUS did NOT need a teacher or mentor. NO one taught HIM or needed to teach HIM about the things of GOD, Heaven, Hell, Creation, the universe. HE is GOD, and HE knew HE was, and knew that HE needed to be about HIS Father's business. HE knew that at age 12.

AWESOME!!!

 

Zeitgeist did get me started on this, yes, but there's much more info available than just what's presented in that little YouTube video.

www.usbible.com

It's all there in glorious, maddening detail. Scads of information about how the bible's various fables often originate from similar legends and from astrology.

You're arguing from a woefully uninformed position, naively telling me that your Middle Eastern cult, which has numerous older historical parallels all over that part of the world, is true. You're not aware of what it is you're rejecting, meaning you're doing so out of hand. You also do so out of bias, because you're a believer and need this stuff to be true. You're therefore unable to look at this objectively.

 

I do have to hand it to you here, though - Christianity did manage to do this in Medieval Europe for many centuries. We refer to that time now as the Dark Ages.

 

you aint defending jesus. You are making people not like you and the liars that sling the name of jesus.

You aint doing anything good for any, jesus or yourself.

did you witness what you are representing, or are you just accepting anothers opinion?

I have roots in notra dame that go back 3 generations.

there is a gold chalice that was donated by my gggrand pappy to the church

Do you have a grail, made of gold, by your families love for church?

With all the preachers and nuns now within holy cross, notra dame and the catholic church, i can walk into either, with just the mention of my name; they will give me cookies and wine on a dime!

gaza is a holocaust

do you deny that?

i dont have any problem with jesus


It is you that is of false witness. Jesus aint lying out his butt!

I have zero problem with jesus. He told (charged) the disciples not to call him jesus the christ. It is you, that is of false witness, not jesus.

 

How dark do you call the later ages? - the thirty years war - the massacres and genocides on red indians - the french revolution - world war 1+2 - culture revolution in China ... ??? ¿Age of the enlightenment??? In 500 years the inquisition of the Catholic Church killed not so many people as were executed in only one day of the french revolution. Antichristian movements like Capitalism, Communism, Nazism murdered more people during the 19th and 20th century than all religions together since the first steps of all mankind. What are you proud on? On abortion? On a father who tells his child "I love you, but I have to leave you because your mother is a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)"? What are you proud on? Every single day sinks the chance for the survival of all mankind and all life on planet earth. Again: What are you proud on? ... And do me the favor please not so use the name of god if you should answer. That's forbidden !!! - and maybe a main reason that native english speakers of the christian religion don't [like to] discuss with you.

http://youtu.be/iaoSiklAXiU