Was Jesus the First Republican?

yes he did by teaching that we were not merely slaves in the roman collective, but rather individuals loved by God.

 

cede half to state and half to God thus cutting state in half leading eventually to Locke and Jefferson. Now you understand?

 

yes and they got the idea from Jesus. Now you understand?

 

Well, no I think it IS the issue. Christianity wants more of the power of government.

They want the right to be political operations that aren't taxed (like secular political operations are), thus giving religion a special place in governance.

They want the government to teach children that Christianity is the true religion, to teach children to pray, to teach children that science is wrong.

They want to be considered above the law when it doesn't match their beliefs.

 

No, this is nonsense.

Romans had duties to their gods as well as the state, were held to a moral standard, etc.

 

Russia is a far more complex issue than that.

In western history, secular government won out over religious government, and that turned out to be good.

It doesn't mean that secular government would always win or would always be better.

But, secular government did win in what we call the west, and that has turned out to be good. And, of course, we still do have religious opposition to that.

 

Of course it is on point. It's right on point - probably why you bothered to mention Constantine in the first place.

We're talking about church and state. And, Constantine was both. He was more tolerant than some previous rulers and he moved toward Christianity, which he saw himself as owning.

The reason he wanted the religion regularized was that he saw the fragmentation of the Christian church as a political risk to his rule. So, he worked to create a single enforced orthodoxy.

 

You mean Dominitian? Looks like it was fake news. No pagan writer ever accused Dominitian as they had Nero.

 

Constantine didn't stop slavery.
http://spartacus-educational.com/ROMslaves.htm

 

Roman citizens were NOT slaves.

Rome didn't provide more or less religious freedom due to Jesus.

Read about what happened to Paul.

 

about half the people in Rome were slaves. Individual liberty was a significant Roman value. Sorry

 

Due to Jesus Christians took over Rome and got 100% freedom. Sorry to rock your world.

 

if I disagreed I"ll pay you $10,000. Cool the way you free associate

 

But, that's nonsense.

Jesus called for ceding everything of this world.

He said sell all your belongings and give the proceeds to the poor. He said turn the other cheek. He said give your very clothes.

Paul called for people to obey their government, as it was selected by God.

There was no "cutting state in half".

 

all agree. So?????????????

 

Again, Jesus was about duty, not possessions, not individual rights, not freedom.

 

so?? that obviously did not happen so is not related to our subject

 

Rome didn't really care about religion either way.

 

yes the duty of the individual created by God. Sorry

 

Believe me Constantine cared

 

Sure - not being a slave was a value. I'm pretty sure you could have asked anyone, slave or not, and they would say they would rather not be a slave.

But, that didn't come from Jesus.

The Bible is not anti-slavery.

 

if Jesus had said give all to Caesar and nothing to God you would be correct

 

you mean before dems and repubs switched sides? or the modern Trump republicans?

 

Bible is very anti slavery in the same sense our Constitution is ie freedom for some becomes freedom for all

 

freedom of speech and freedom of religion for two off top of my head, the ten commandments is against those

wanted people to be punished for yard work on Sundays?