Waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed DID NOT LEAD TO THE CAPTURE OF OSAMA BIN LADEN!!

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  1. Dick Tuck

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    Senate Intel Chair: Torture Did Not Lead To Bin Laden In Any Way

    More and more evidence suggests a key piece of intelligence -- the first link in the chain of information that led U.S. intelligence officials to Osama bin Laden -- wasn't tortured out of its source. And, indeed, that torture actually failed to produce it.

    "To the best of our knowledge, based on a look, none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee in a wide-ranging press conference.

    Moreover, Feinstein added, nothing about the sequence of events that culminated in Sunday's raid vindicates the Bush-era techniques, nor their use of black sites -- secret prisons, operated by the CIA.

    "Absolutely not, I do not," Feinstein said. "I happen to know a good deal about how those interrogations were conducted, and in my view nothing justifies the kind of procedures that were used."

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  2. technobabble

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    I'll trust the current head of the CIA with knowledge of the truth...over a California politician

    http://www.ksbw.com/r/27766515/detail.html

    You tell em, Panetta!
     
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    Feinstein says one thing while Director of the CIA and lib in good standing Leon Paneta says something else.

    http://freedomslighthouse.net/2011/...plied-intel-that-led-to-bin-laden-video-5311/
     
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    Perhaps because it was not the waterboarding that did the trick.

    The CIA declines to comment, but current and former intelligence officials tell ABC News that 11 top al Qaeda figures were all held at one point on a former Soviet air base in one Eastern European country. Several of them were later moved to a second Eastern European country.

    All but one of these 11 high-value al Qaeda prisoners were subjected to the harshest interrogation techniques in the CIA's secret arsenal, the so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" authorized for use by about 14 CIA officers and first reported by ABC News on Nov. 18.
    abc

    You understand rendition?

    If you had already authorized WB'ing at Gitmo, there would be no need to secret off combatants so that hired hands can do your dirty work for you.

    I despise rendition - wtf was Clinton thinking??? - despicable and cowardly!
    If you truly believe a dirty job must be done, then do it your d*mn yourself!

    And apparently, it had to be done. The proof is in the pudding. The info obtained; the devil dispatched.

    and just for the record...they did get the couriers name...his nom de guerre. What took time was unraveling just what XXX's real name was.

    It hurts to be wrong, especially when so publicly, but there you have it.
     
  5. RichT2705

    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With all of the opportunities Panetta had to answer this question when asked directly...multiple times...why didn't he simply say "no it did not help"?


    Really, theres the bottom line. he could have made this statement any of the times he was asked, yet he didn't.


    Of course that info helped.
     
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    I didn't realize Panetta was an honest liberal.

    He's a credit to his side.
     
  7. technobabble

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    I've actually always sort of liked Panetta...going back to his days under Clinton...he seemed like a straight shooter...tells it like it is.

    He used to be a Republican...before switching to Democrat in 1971.
     
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    It would have been so easy for Pametta to stick to the liberal script but he didn't.
     
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    And Feinstein is the typical liberal who sees the death of Bin Laden as nothing other than an opportunity to win political points.
     
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    Actually its a Federal crime to lie to Congress. Haul Feinstein before Congress, put her under oath and maybe we could get the truth out of even her.
     
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    It is good to see the truth finally come out. :sun:
     
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    Feinstein does not see all the intelligence that Panetta sees.
     
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    Obama is the tackiest, most classless ,self-promoting scam artist to ever sit int he Oval Office. Chicago Politics...barf!
     
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    Farce-stein was NOT Senate Intell Chair WHEN IT HAPPENED. She's just serving the Kool-aid , now....
     
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    The head of the CIA disagrees with your assertion.
     
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    Which "truth" is that??

    I'll trust the current head of the CIA with knowledge of the truth...over a California politician

    http://www.ksbw.com/r/27766515/detail.html
     
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    Leaving her free to make up the rest to fit her agenda.
     
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    FACT: Saddam had WMD. Oh, wait...
     
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    I wonder if Panetta is being waterboarded somewhere in the White House even as we speak in an effort to make him to issue a retraction to that statement?
     
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    That's quite the cross that you carry around. Does that thing give you back pains? :omg:
     
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    The most hilarious thing is there's not a single LIB pansy on the planet who wouldn't give up their children at the mere mention of possibly being 'interrogated' while at the same time claiming 'enhanced interrogation' techniques never work. The fact is they do work and they have been used for thousands of years to great effect. "I'm about to apply 'enhanced interrogation to you. If I find out you have lied about a single thing I'm going to apply an even more aggressive interrogation technique on you and if you lie about anything I'm going to apply even more aggressive interrogation techniques on every one of your family members while you watch and they will see that I am not applying any interrogation techniques to you. How's that for a plan?". I could put your hand in a vise and start asking you questions while I turned the handle. 99.99999% of you would be singing like a bird instantly and there's no way any of those people would give me false information because they would know what the consequences would be. The rest would sing after a few 'treatments'. If torture doesn't work it wouldn't be such a popular effective method of getting information virtually world wide.
     
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    He does have the angry black man thing down pat. For his own mental health I hope he doesnt find out it was Obamas white half that compelled him to go through with it.
     
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    Actually the way to ensure enhanced interrogation works...is not to stop when the detainee talks, but to ONLY stop when what he said can be verified as the truth.

    If you think merely talking will stop waterboarding, you'll say anything.

    If you know that only speaking the truth will stop waterboarding, you'll won't lie.

    You don't get a reprieve once you talk. You only get a reprieve when what you say can be proven true.
     
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    A memo which appears to leave out information if you note the two lines and text that has been cut off.


    No that is the fact.

    "According to a 2007 Red Cross report, he was subjected a total of "five sessions of ill-treatment." "

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...ikh-mohammed-waterboarded-times#ixzz1LOR62A4G

    Read your own memo he was waterboarded 5 times.
    And it broke him and led to LOTS of information we used to fight the terrorist who want to kill us.
     
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    Yes, I have also read that even the threat to use the water was considered an attempt.
     

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