Waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed DID NOT LEAD TO THE CAPTURE OF OSAMA BIN LADEN!!

OF COURSE, and it served as the best warning in the world, you mess with us, you aid these people, and you are going to lose EVERYTHING! This has an effect throughout the world, what the hell does an entire movement care if they lose one guy, it's the disruption of an entire country that serves as the deterrent. A leader looks at this and says,,it's just not worth it. Otherwise they just sit back and play.

 

Really, I am hearing that the couriers name or code name was given up after waterboarding, and during normal interrogation. This other person is arguing that he gave up the name WHILE being waterboarded.

what are you even talking about?

 

But the article you linked and copied says just the opposite of your headline and proves you wrong:

"But the Associated Press quoted unidentified U.S. officials as saying that CIA interrogators at secret prisons developed strands that led to bin Laden."

Also, these people who were "in-the-know" say it did. Not just waterboarding, but other forms of enhanced interrogations; both of which Democrats condemned, if you'll recall.

Congressman Peter King (Homeland Security Chairman) says it did.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news...Bin-Ladens-Death-Came-From-Waterboarding.html

Former CIA Director Michael Hayes says it did:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2011/05/02/jk.hayden.manhunt.cnn?iref=allsearch
In this video he tells CNN's John King that the information that eventually led to finding bin Laden started with info obtained during the top secret CIA interrogations that occurred early on after 9/11 overseas. Those black op interrogation centers were highly condemned by Democrats back then and Pres. Obama came in and close that kind of operation. That's fact.

Michael Isikoff, investigative reporter, reports that....
"The trail that led to the doorstep of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan began years earlier with aggressive interrogations of al-Qaida detainees at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay and CIA “black site" prisons overseas, according to U.S. officials."

He also repors that...
"In addition, a senior U.S. intelligence official told NBC News investigative producer Robert Windrem that both Mohammed, who was repeatedly waterboarded by the CIA, and al Libi, who was aggressively interrogated but not waterboarded, provided the nom de guerre of the courier. Mohammed was among the “high-value detainees” subjected to specially approved “enhanced” interrogations at secret sites overseas, including CIA-run prisons in Poland, Romania, Thailand and elsewhere, according to U.S. officials."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42863247/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/

 

Latest from the AP:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_hunt_for_bin_laden

Torture generally leads to false information.

 

You asked, I provided the actual CIA memo that was the source of the claim... your complaint is what exactly?

That's the explanation? There were 138 "pours?" Fascinating. I refer you back to the CIA memo and their context of the "138" times count. It was in a comparison with SERE training (which I have experienced, BTW). And it describes it as follows:

It's really not very ambiguous. Yes... 183 "pours" seems to equate to 183 individual acts of waterboarding.

 

Why do leftys deny reality?

 

FWIW... I went through SERE training in the summer of 1977. I was waterboarded twice. I was willing to say anything to get them to stop, with no concern whatsoever regarding whether or not what I said was true or even made sense.

I would have accused my own mother of drug trafficking if it would have gotten them to stop.

 

As they were limited to 20-40 seconds, and then stopped to let the prisoner catch his breath, 183 times is understandable.

 

Bush dismantled the CIA team that was tasked with finding bin Laden in 2006.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html

2006? That's right about when Osama bin Laden decided to move to the suburbs and live in a huge compound that stood out like a glowing thumb.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o"]YouTube - Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version)[/ame]

President Obama made capturing or killing bin Laden a top priority.

"What I have said is we're going encourage democracy in Pakistan, expand our non-military aid to Pakistan so that they have more of a stake in working with us, but insisting that they go after these militants. And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act, and we will take them out.

"We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaida . That has to be our biggest national security priority."

"We took our eye off the ball when we invaded Iraq. And now it's done. My job is to withdraw in a responsible way from Iraq and stabilize the situation there. But our real focus has to be on Afghanistan, the border regions between Afghanistan and Pakistan. And we have to put as much pressure on them as possible. I've already, you know, spoken to my national security team about how we're going to do that. And I'm confident that we can keep them on the run, and ensure that they cannot train terrorists to attack our homeland. That's my number one priority as President of the United States."

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Maybe he said that after the first dunking.

But eventually he remembered the right name.

 

From your source

WASHINGTON, July 3 — The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.

Video: C.I.A. Closes bin Laden Unit


The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said.

The decision is a milestone for the agency, which formed the unit before Osama bin Laden became a household name and bolstered its ranks after the Sept. 11 attacks, when President Bush pledged to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice "dead or alive."

The realignment reflects a view that Al Qaeda is no longer as hierarchical as it once was, intelligence officials said, and a growing concern about Qaeda-inspired groups that have begun carrying out attacks independent of Mr. bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.





PS Bush was President in 2008, and he assigned the guys who got bin laden.

 

Not so fast thar Bub.What if during the interrogations of that
courier,he was told that they might have to " waterboard " if
they don't get more info.

 

Nicknames ie nom de guerre (why they are using this term, I have no idea).

The real name wasn't known until 2007.

"Current and former U.S. officials"? Rove and Liz Cheney don't count as credible authorities on the subject.

 

I know Obama surrogates feel so warm and fuzzy whenever Obama
talks tough.How easy it was for him to almost casually say that
he'd just go in and attack Pakistan.Not so far,there Pally.
Nor even war monger McCain would dare say that.
Taking ON Pakistan would make Vietnam and Korea look like
a cakewalk.Pakistan has the 5th largest Nuclear capability.
A big population and experienced military.

 

Really, really easy... since he never did.

 

There is also independent cells, compartmentalization, and so on. KSM would likely never know who the couriers are. He'd give up a name, then that person would give up a name, and so on. 10-20 repetitions and 10 years later, they are close enough. The courier was probably known only to OBL and someone on the other end of only their messages to each other. Probably other couriers for the next leg of the communication, unknown to courier 1 and OBL.

That would be the logcal reason that it takes 10 years to work through it, linearly.

Unlike the liberal confusion that Bush did nothing for 8 years, Gates did nothing for Obama's first 2 years, then Panetta & BO found him in 2 days, lol.

 

Khalid gave them the nom de guerre, his code name as a trusted aide of Bin Laden, Libbi gave the actual name connected with the code name.

 

Obama is too modest to mention it but he actually led the Navy Seals into the terrorist compound.

What a guy.

 

So, true. It was amuzing watching that terrible "Red Eye" show on FX last night when the comedian on the panel tried to say the timelines don't work because the info was AFTER waterboarding stopped and he was shut down by the FX CIA analyst.

The FAILED talking point of this coming from torture never got off the ground no matter how hard they tried.

Bush's legacy is STILL toast.

 

Note to all you LIB pansies: Any of you being even faced with water boarding would give up your mother/children in a heart beat. None of you have the slightest clue what interrogation can accomplish. But please go ahead and run your stupid LIB mouths. All it does is make you look like what you are. Question: There's a LIB on your left and a REP on your right and your find yourself in need of help. Who are you going to turn to? Got it in one.

 

The name was after. His existance and code name was before. We wouldnt have discovered his name had we not first discovered his existance, silly.

 

Todd, you're so partisan that there could literally be a video of KSM confessing after being waterboarded and you still wouldn't believe it. You are just determined never to give President Bush or the right credit for anything ever. I get the impression you probably think Obama did this whole thing by himself.

 

I'm not a rightie, but you can be confident that waterboarding led to a LOT of info being given up eventually....even it the actual waterboarding took place much earlier.

Do not fear. You will not be waterboarded as karma someday if you fail to criticize waterboarding today.

P.S. if ALL your sources are leftwing sources (including almost every U.S. newspaper), then your information may be just as inaccurate and/or filtered as you think the few right wing sources are.

 

Show us the evidence that it didn't.

 

Waterboarding broke KSM. After repeated waterboarding, the mere threat of it made him talk.

it's a fact.

deal with it, Lefties.