Using the verb "slay" with respect to a fertilized egg is merely a demonstration of your psychological distress. You're having a tough time here. Rather than winding yourself up concerning zygotes that result from rape, how about going after artificial insemination for a while? They PURPOSEFULLY fertilize and then kill MANY more human eggs than ever even get a shot at a womb. Of course, not all just get flushed down the drain. Many get fresh frozen. Do you know how many abandoned "snowflake" fertilized human eggs there are?
I'm glad it upsets your sensibilities so I will continue to use that word. Braindead posturing. you said rape baby not rape zygote. but it's only after one's viable and has all the potential to become a person that you slay it. That is despicable and there is no way you can make that seem less despicable. If it's many more that become humans than all the more reason not to slay them before they're born. Are you don't care how you rationalize whatever evil you want to defend do whatever makes you sleep better at night.
If anti-abortionists spent half the time and the money the do trying to outlaw abortion, and spent that money on supporting pregnant women with income replacement, health care, insurance, and support throughout the pregnancy, they would do FAR more to reduce abortion than trying to pry into every womb and force a woman to carry to pregnancy. We already outlawed abortion once in this country - that didn't work - it was basically unenforceable without draconian measures aimed at women. Time to drop the charade and use this money to help support well baby care for women who are poor and WANT to keep the baby.
Sorry but based on your comments in this thread I have a doubt you would be “treating them like treasure”. Try instead treating them like PEOPLE you would find they would react better. If you are overly obsequious to anyone male or female I will guarantee you will either creep them out or, if you are unlucky enough to meet a sociopath, paint yourself as a potential victim oh! And I can pretty well assure you that there are members on this forum that would tick top 5% for intelligence, intellect, emotional maturity and overall “massive brain”. I gather you are young, take a bit of a back seat and learn. Even when we are “telling you off” it is so you can measure reactions here instead of in the real world. Difference being here no one will slap your face and I can assure you that would be a distinct possibility if you had blurted out that “rapists aren’t bad people” to a group of women in a bar and do not think you could call the cops - because you have no idea how blind the entire barroom full of people would become once they knew what you said and yes it is THAT socially unacceptable
Sadly, very sadly women and young girls will die butchered before the tide turns again - and it will. It is a pendulum. Outrage over “killing babies” tightens restrictions then the toll is seen, Savita Halappanavar in Ireland and the little raped 1q year old in Argentina changed abortion laws in thier countries
Lmao, whatever dude. I am entitled to my opinion. Most women respect men and their opinions and are non violent but hey if a woman hit me for being respectful and considerate of all humans. I would just masturbate to it later lol. Violence is never the answer. Watch the third Star Wars movie and have your mind blown on morality if you pay attention.
They all aren't adopted now. AND are they willing to pay the thousands and thousands of dollars for the incubation?
I'm not upset by your silly choice of words. I just suggest you should care more about how you are viewed, and ones language does affect that. The fertilized embryos that are flushed by insemination labs are just as viable as are those in a womb. The same is true for the 400,000 fertilized embryos that are fresh frozen in US freezers, where they gradually deteriorate until they are bio refuse. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/feat...gle-growing-number-abandoned-embryos-n1040806
if people view me poorly for my beliefs I don't care why should anyone care about what other people view them as?
I'm just saying you can lose credibility by poor choice of language and by backing positions that are disgusting.
The position where I don't support murder is not disgusting. If I lose credibility with the people who think that it is, good. I don't want credibility with you. Credibility among the evil is not something I value.
Amen. This IS what Canada does, and they have a lower percentage of abortion even though they have NO laws against it and actually PAY for abortions through their health care system. Those demanding harsh laws against women on this issue have TOTALLY failed to even bother asking why a woman may well decide that an abortion is necessary.
So, you aren't actually here to discuss an issue, attempt to change minds, etc. You're just here to call me names, even though that is counter to board policy.
I have learned nobody can change their mind if they aren't willing to. So no I'm not here to change your mind I don't think that's possible. Certainly not through discussion. I'm here to show others how to argue with you. You tried to use ridicule to change my position. Try arguments next time.
I did ridicule your position. And, that is because it deserved ridicule. I could give you some names of posters who could help you with ad hom.
No you didn't. You said I would lose credibility not my position. You just resorted to playing victim when I told you I don't care. I value conviction over popularity.
Doesn't make your personal attack any less personal. It's okay I know you don't have a valid position I don't know why you insist on arguing with me about this. Think of it as though I'm trying to convince you but it's okay to commit murder. Could you be convinced of that or do you have a conviction that says that it's wrong no matter what.
Education on people's right to not be attacked starts in preschool. PRESCHOOL! If they fail preschool, it continues in every grade from there. If they can't figure it out to the point where they actually RAPE someone, they belong in JAIL. Besides ignorance not being an excuse, there is constant training provided every kid.
I've clearly pointed out that our society does NOT see the elimination of an ovum as murder. We do it ALL THE TIME, and in contexts even YOU don't care about it. Plus, the majority of America does not support making abortion illegal. You are an outlier who wants to resort to laws against women to cover for an issue you haven't thought through. Again, Canada has a lower abortion rate while having NO laws against women and even paying for abortions through their health care system. You need to review your position, as it just plain doesn't hold water.
and here we have the appeal to majority you are right because most people agree with you. Again suggesting that I value popularity over virtue I do not. so you're just posting here to virtue signal? again you're appealing to majority this is a policy you make constantly. There is a point in American history where the majority didn't think slavery was wrong. Were they correct they were the majority and that means correct in your logic so if they weren't correct you are arguing with yourself. again sometimes the outliers are correct I was an outlier in supporting same-sex marriage as well I still am most people don't. This is why appealing to the majority is wrong because on some subject you are probably an outlier and you probably don't you think you're wrong about it. so there's another reason not to support abortion one primarily it's murder. Two it makes us like Canada. Why are you arguing against abortion now? When you want to appeal to someone who's more conservative saying that you want to be more like Canada is exactly why people are conservative they don't want to be like Canada if Canada is so great go live there. Because you appealed to majority and think Canada is better? I've reviewed my position not only does it hold water but it is righteous. If you want to trigger me to review it don't say things like it makes us more like Canada, I don't want to be like Canada if I wanted to live in Canada I would. Infinter the only argument against my position you have made is that all the cool kids don't agree essentially you're appealing to the majority. I don't review my positions based on your worship of Canada and your logical fallacies you aren't good at arguing. I'll even make it easy for you. I will tell you the only argument (which you have never made because I don't think you can think this way) on the pro-abortion side that gives me pause. I'm going to hand you an argument that gives me pause and you're probably not going to accept it because it comes from me. It is the libertarian approach where a woman is having to use her body to sustain another person. You have no idea how to argue with conservatives this is why you never get anywhere with them. I'm sure you'll blame everyone else they're just in a cult they just worship Trump because you can't possibly be anything less than absolute perfection. No you can't argue with this because you have no idea what our position is. You can inspire me to review it because you don't know what it is.
You are looking to STAR WARS for morality? If Science Fiction though is where you want to look for morality I suggest Robert Heinlein or Spider Robinson or Isaac Asimov or Theodore Sturgeon or Andre Norton or Sherri S Tepper or Julian May or Ann Bishop or even Anne McCaffrey and THAT list was a quick recall off the top of my mind - I could happily quote at least 150 more authors each with their own lesson to teach
