At least HE has a position... Repeating , "It's MURRRRDER! , It's MURRDER I tell ye! "....is NOT a positon ..nor an argument , nor correct, nor sensible, nor EFFECTIVE
The anti-abortionist position is based on one of or a combination of; * "Life begins at conception because God said so." * "It has rights because it has DNA and will eventually become a fully developed human being." * "Women who have sex for pleasure are sluts." * "Leftists are pro-abortion and I am not Leftist therefore I am against it." * "Women have a moral obligation to sacrifice their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness for the fetus because the fetus is iNnOcEnT." All of the arguments above are just flat out wrong.
I am not "Pro abortion". The point I've been making is that women have every right to their personal healthcare decisions. Yes, that is a position that is reasonably in line with libertarian thought. I've clearly pointed that out in the past. I mentioned Canada, because the Canadian model demonstrates that the abortion rate can be low WITHOUT the harsh laws against women that you so fervently demand. Are you so stuck in your specific METHOD of reducing abortion that you can't accept that there are other ways to proceed effectively??? At least one other poster has pointed out this possibility, too. They just didn't point to Canada as an example. >>The problem here is that YOU see the issue as being one of LAWS you want to make. Your view is that making laws against women on this issue is good and that not doing so is bad. As you point out, you really don't see much of anything else as worthwhile to consider. Have you ever bothered to LOOK at actual studies of WHY women choose abortion?? >>If you were to notice that abortion can be reduced in other ways, we could actually WORK TOGETHER on those ways. So could others who believe it is the woman's right to decide her own healthcare, but would like the path of carrying a baby to term to be an easier decision. Seriously, your idea that we must deny ourselves the use of ideas Canada demonstrates purely because Canada came up with them is madness. Plus, it IS a fact that a significant percentage of those who want laws against women on abortion, even on RAPE also support flushing fertilized human embryos down the crapper in artificial insemination labs and storing hundreds of thousands of fertilized eggs in freezers until they rot. Combining this practice with laws against women on abortion IS a serious inconsistency of belief here in America. If it really were concern about embryos and gestation, we would take a different path here in America.
See you have no idea how to argue. You just think you're right did I sum up your argument in one sentence better than you could do it and all that diarrhea you posted.
yeah that's pro-abortion. I was just trying to help you out by showing you an argument that gave me pause and you don't even understand it. Your argument that we need to be able to murder babies in order for health is the stupidest thing you've ever said it's not an argument for abortion or whatever you want to call your pro-abortion viewpoint to feel better about it. I don't care about Canada. Mentioning Canada does nothing for your argument. If the goal is to communicate a different position. I don't care about your stupid little magic words to make you feel better about supporting murder. To me it's murder so I'm going to treat it like that. If you're too sensitive to talk about the subject maybe you should find somewhere else to post. Canada is only an example of how not to be the US so if they're so great live there. what are you talking about laws it's already against a lot of murder people. There are no laws I want to make. We already have a law it should just be enforced that's not my view you don't even understand my view you can't argue. There is no need to make laws it is already a law that you cannot commit murder. I'm sure people will justify murder in all sorts of ways it doesn't matter it's still murder. enforce the law is one way first there's no such thing as healthcare you have to care about your own health nobody else can do it for you nobody else can provide it for you there is medical Care. And this isn't about medical care there is no medical reason ever to commit murder. That's just that phony baloney appeal to emotion BS that will never work as an argument with me. It's not healthy it's not medically necessary ever in this world or the next to murder your baby. if Canada is so great go live there if Canada teaches us anything it's how not to be a country. then go find those people who think that and argue with them. You're arguing (failing miserably) with me not with whatever people you invented in your own mind. So you're stupid little what about is in red herring is of no value here. I don't know why you keep insisting on failing. I told you the argument that gives me pause. You didn't use it. Instead you continued gushing about how great you think Canada is, in renting and raving as though murdering people is part of medical Care. This is why you fail when you're even handed the best argument you refuse to use it and keep doubling down on your brain dead nonsense. You're appeals to emotion and whatever other trash you posted is not a good argument I told you this already none of this BS you're whining about the justifies murder.
PRIME "appealing to emotion" is : Repeating , "It's MURRRRDER! , It's MURRDER I tell ye! "....is NOT a positon ..nor an argument , nor correct, nor sensible, nor EFFECTIVE It's all emotion It has no basis , no proof, no facts...nothing...just emotional opinion.....
So, all you've got is ad hom and a determination to ignore EVERY aspect of the issue. Have a nice day!
your argument is based on how everyone else is wrong because you are right and that's not rational or logical we will go through it and explain how much fail is in your post. no I don't believe there's anything in the Bible or any other religious text about this. Scientifically speaking life begins at conception. It is only after conception that unique DNA is formed in DNA in science not God. And that DNA taken from that fertilized egg will be the same for the person if they're in their 40s. So it is obviously where life begins you have to deny the obvious to justify murder. No it doesn't have rights it has value because that is how people begin that was how you began. If it doesn't have any value why do you? also never an argument I made. I've met several pro-life more left liberal type people if this was true I would also have to disagree with them. Men must be enslaved to a woman's choice for 18 years. The only point in which men have any choice at all in this arrangement is having sex. That's a standard you can't apply to women because you think women need special treatment because they can't be responsible for their own actions like a man has to be. This seems to be a big mess about degrading and hating men. Do I need to show the pictures of public housing for women who can't afford to feed their children and public housing for men who can't afford to feed their children? This isn't about equality of women it is about degrading men You actually haven't adjusted any of my arguments you don't have the first ****ing clue what they are. Maybe you do know what they are and you're just terrified of them so you have to fabricate these idiotic straw man fallacies. Either way you completely fail at every attempt. I've stumped you into the dirt on this subject to multiple times.
I handed you the argument that gives me pause. I gave you a steel man. I am arguing in good faith you never even really mentioned it. Is it because it because it came for me and you can't take credit for it?
WHAT "argument" ??? Saying it's murder over and over is not an argument......and complaining that men have to take care of their children, BOO_HOO) isn't either
There are thousands of children that will never see the inside of a permanent, loving home. Will you be adopting?
If he can't get a machine to do it, the fetus of a rape victim could be extracted and inserted into your womb, if you're female, or someone you trust. Then you can make sure the fetus gets birthed and if you're interested, grows up in a good life.
All of these will be black/brown or disabled children. Even white crack babies these days all get sucked up by loving families. Anyone who knows anything about adoption knows there are huge waiting lists for families trying to adopt babies. Well anyway, my point is that white women have no grounds to try to use this as an excuse, if they're honest with themselves. You killed your developing baby even though you knew there was a loving family waiting for it. Not just waiting but desperately hoping and praying for a baby just like the one you had. Some of these families wait for years and years. They're even kidnapping babies from other Third World countries to supply the demand. So maybe on top of all that, by you aborting you are also causing some other child on the other side of the world to be taken away from its parents. Maybe women should fully think about all the consequences of their actions.
Repeating , "It's MURRRRDER! , It's MURRDER I tell ye! "....is NOT a positon ..nor an argument , nor correct, nor sensible, nor EFFECTIVE
All of "these"? What do you mean by that? Yes, perfect white newborns....anyone who is honest admits many children "age out " of the system because they aren't EVER adopted byt Anti-Choicers. WTF!! Why are you addressing white women? And what "excuse" are you talking about ? WOMEN DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE TO GET AN ABORTION . OK, SHOW THE LAW THAT SAYS WOMEN OWE OTHER PEOPLE CHILDREN...SHOW IT. OMYGAWD! ""So maybe on top of all that, by you aborting you are also causing some other child on the other side of the world to be taken away from its parents.""" What an assinine statement.. That is so hilarious...trying to blame women for every damn evil on earth ...and some would claim that's NOT misogyny ??!!! The responsibility for back market babies lies directly on the shoulders of those who want them and will pay lots of money to get them...
That don't make no sense mate .. God says children are to be killed for the sins of their fathers - according to the good book .. what you are speaking is heresy ?!
What you talking about .. "Murder" .. You need a person to exist for murder to exist .. Do you think the zygote is a person ?
So this is not a position of genuine concern for human life; it is a position of vanity. "I raise a righteous finger and therefor I care" Sorry, there is a difference between genuine concern and trying to appear sanctimonious. I not only support her right to abort, I applaud her for not allowing violent predators to duplicate their kind. Your attempt to link abortion with kidnapping is not reasonable. Of course, you can advertise to all those considering an abortion that you will provide housing, living expenses, and medical care to the mother in exchange for letting you adopt her baby. (Just like one would expect tax payers to do!)
Studies have consistently shown that people who were conceived as the product of rape are not, or are only negligibly more likely to go on to commit rape than any average member of the population. So that should mostly put this idea that rape is due to "rape genes" in its grave. (Or course, and in all fairness, it might also be that the women who choose life in this situation are more likely to give the child a Christian upbringing, so I suppose we cannot completely exclude the possibility of a genetic factor, if it is just being cancelled out by something else. Something which I assume most Pro-Choicers will outright reject, so in any case this theory will probably be irrelevant to you)
While there is no specific rape gene, aggressive/violent behavior is genetic. Still irrelevant when it comes to ones right to bodily autonomy. Government interference is equivalent to her being raped twice in my view.
Well, I will point out this - At least with rape someone is being held accountable and punished for causing a baby to grow inside the woman she doesn't want. So it is just a little more complicated than simply just "a woman being forced to have a baby". (It still isn't "legal" to force a woman to have a baby through rape)
True and its not like abortion laws have any value to society. She could always take a short trip and circumvent abortion laws.
You seem to be changing the subject now. (That's not really the topic of this thread, and besides it's been explained in other threads how a woman is not necessary going to escape from the law just because she travels to another jurisdiction to do it)
