Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide?

gonna take a lot more than that. there is an estimate that 80% of the native children born in Vancouver have some level of FAS

 

Got to crawl before you can walk

 

I know but its a long row to hoe. these kids will never be able to make it in modern society.

 

Well we have spent the best part of the last 300 years kicking them in the groin. It's going to take a while for the bruising to heal. And sometimes the act can be very symbolic. For example this speech http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/02/13/1202760379056.html went a long way to help the healing process in Australia

 

were great at speeches but the natives quit believing us years ago

 

Try reading The Wars of the Iroquois: A Study in Intertribal Trade Relations. You will see there were intertribal wars for territory well before their first contact with the white man. You seem to have this pie in the sky view that the indians were just sitting around smoking peace pipes all content and happy. You've been watching too many movies. Like any hunter gatherers they competed with each other for resources which often lead to war between the competing tribes. When the settlers arrived, they were just someone to compete for resources with. Don't be so naive.

 

I think that to certan degree it was Genocide, but it was also war with lots of causualties on both sides. Native Americans were a brutal people in their own right. If you read acounts by French priests before the French and Indian war you get a good picture of that. The Souix, Apache, and Commanche were also bruatl warriors and in cases showed no mercy. That they were fierce is undeniable. Also they played political hardball in the war of 1812, and that cost them dearly in the long run. BTW, Ward Churchill is a lieing loser who was disgraced because of those lies.

 

The inter-tribal wars over the fur trade played a huge role, yes. Greed isn't limited to white Europeans.

 

And who's fault is that?

If I choose to become an alcoholic, is that the fault of the Government?

Heck, I am the son of at least 3 generations of alcoholics. But I certainly do not blame "The Government", "America", or anything else for the poor choices of my ancestors. In fact, my great grandfather and my grandmother were not even legally allowed to drink in several US states. That certainly did not stop them though.

Oh, and sorry to bust your bubble, but the facts say you are a liar.

http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/fetal-alcohol-syndrome

You see, this is why so many of us almost never believe the claims made such as this. 80% sounded absolutely outrageous and I am sorry but I am absolutely disgusted by your racism.

And no, I am dead serious and not joking at all. here you go on talking about "respect", yet apparently you so absolutely believe that "drunken Indian" stereotype that you actually make the claim that 80% of First Nation children were born to alcoholic mothers.

 

I read an estimate that the numbers for both North and South America could be in the range of one hundred million!


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To me, the most important point is that they didn't invent or develop anything, so America never would have contributed to world civilization if White people had been excluded from these continents. The Indians hoarded land that was needed for class-suppressed Europeans to prove that they weren't inferior. All this New Left gibberish is class-biased against those whose Daddies weren't able to buy them positions of intellectual influence. More proof that Liberals are agents of the Right Wing.

Nature is not a real-estate agent. Those who got there before us had no title and no permanent right of seniority; they certainly didn't grant that to their own kind. The law of possession is "Use it or lose it." The Indians did nothing with the land, so they deserved to be evicted. The whole world, including the Indians themselves, benefited by letting useful people take possession of the Americas.

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To me, the most important point is that they didn't invent or develop anything, so America never would have contributed to world civilization if White people had been excluded from these continents. The Indians hoarded land that was needed for class-suppressed Europeans to prove that they weren't inferior. All this New Left gibberish is class-biased against those whose Daddies weren't able to buy them positions of intellectual influence. More proof that Liberals are agents of the Right Wing.

Nature is not a real-estate agent. Those who got there before us had no title and no permanent right of seniority; they certainly didn't grant that to their own kind. The law of possession is "Use it or lose it." The Indians did nothing with the land, so they deserved to be evicted. The whole world, including the Indians themselves, benefited by letting useful people take possession of the Americas.

 

Dont try and invoke the Tera Nullius principle. It is just a (*)(*)(*)(*) poor excuse for claiming moral and legal rights over lands that had they had no actual claim too.

 

If advanced human species had done the same to the related race in Mongolia, the mass murder of tens of millions by the vicious animals who followed Genghis Khan would have been avoided. The Indians were living on borrowed time, and the Whites were wise enough not to extend their credit.

 

lol! you really don't get it do you.i said in VANCOUVER! that's not a native community as such. it has a ghetto where the defeated Indians drift into. it is a madhouse of heroin, crack and meth ! the natives that live there are not one band but the addicts from bands all over the province collected together in one heap. and they have children. and the children are born damaged. I didn't say it was ANYONES fault, I merely pointed out that a community so mentally damaged is going to have a hard time healing itself. so take your hero stories somewhere else. you have no idea what you are talking about

 

There never was a monolithic group of people called "Native Americans." What existed were tens of thousands of tribes and nations of people speaking a variety of languages and with many different cultures.

They fought with each other for centuries before a new tribe appeared known as Europeans (who were also divided into tribes that had been fighting each other for centuries, and continued to do so in the new world).

These Europeans had developed superior weapons, and had also developed resistance to diseases endemic to Europe, but unknown in America.

Between the superior weapons and the resistance to diseases, the tribes from Europe soon displaced the tribes from America.

Now, had that not happened, were the Native American tribes still as numerous as they once were, just what do you think America would be like?

 

PrometheusBound...................if I were you I would begin researching the near death experience accounts just to get prepared!

Former atheist Howard Storm was shocked to find himself outside his body.....and extremely conscious in a hospital in Paris. I read his book "My Descent Into Death" several years ago and it would be a great place for you to begin!

http://www.near-death.com/storm.html

Here is how he was answered when he asked the being of light why the holocaust had been allowed to occur! I edited this slightly before sending this to an Orthodox Jewish friend of mine.....I am sure you can guess why!!

 

The Indians came across from Siberia in three waves, each wave displacing or exterminating the previous one. The Whites were merely the fourth wave. Every aristocratic snob is offended by real Americans because they were peasants who had left the hopeless class structure of Europe and proved they could make something of themselves. The American Experience proves that Class Superiority is false and White Superiority is true. It is about time we go back to the attitude that people with your unrealistic views about race should be shunned as sheltered and ignorant traitors. We won't have freedom of thought until we can laugh at White-haters as trolls and whackos.

If we were allowed to use common sense instead of submitting to the required PC thinking, we would figure out that the pre-invasion Indians were in Siberia as fugitives from justice. No pre-historic sub-species would wander around looking for a place to settle down in and choose the frozen North. They were therefore banished out there and happened to get lucky in escaping their hideout and getting to America. The only thing these low-IQs originated on these continents was tribal genocide.

By the way, the place where we ought to invoke terra nullius is Antarctica. It has as valuable natural resources as our own continent, but the hoarding class has declared it to be a forbidden zone in order to create shortages and keep the lower classes in their place.

 

Class Supremacists have brainwashed us into losing our racial pride so they can turn us into yellow Whites who will submit to them. The only way I can interpret your googoo-eyed post is that you are still plugged into that Matrix. Apparently, your God wants us to repent of our imaginary sins and let the savages run loose to destroy civilization. Sorry, but I don't worship at that altar. It is soaked with the blood of human sacrifice made by subhumans. We think build while they think blood.

 

Anybody tell you that the Indians were just sitting around smoking peace pipes all content and happy? I hope you heard something about Aztec culture? I mean their rituals, sacrifices etc.

However this is the fact that the Indian population has been declined several times between the 15th and 20th centuries.

Or you prefer to spread / eat the crap like “the settlers brought only civilization, democracy and freedom to thankless savages”?

 

yes, I heard about it. in my view it's very rough estimate.

 

There are several historical studies like that. Daniel Usner's Indians, Settlers, & Slaves In A Frontier Exchange Economy: The Lower Mississipi Valley Before 1783 is an excellent read as well, among others. It also has the demographics of both large and small tribes in that region, and one can find dozens of tribes that weren't 'removed', as they weren't prone to butchery and raiding, and made excellent traders and farmers.

 

there is no healing FAS the best you can hope is each succeeding generation is afflicted less than the proceeding one...

 

well it was the governments fault, cultural genocide was the policy of the day...in western canada it was done with the best of intentions but it was deliberate they set out to destroy the native culture as it was and succeeded... but there was no follow up plan and the natives were cast adrift on their reserves and forgotten creating a completely new culture of subsidies and idleness from which they struggle to escape...

 

Calling them Leftist implies they might have some sort of legitimate philosophy or morals of some sort. No, they're just brats indulging in narratives that promote their own self-indulgent narcissism. They're big fans of identity politics, not anything 'leftist'; the Democratic Party has morphed into just another racist hate group, no different than Nazis in spirit and goal. The Democrats need identity politics because they threw their traditional working class base under the bus in the 1980's, the 'Super Delegate Rule' is one manifestation of the shift to collect votes based on race, gender, etc..

The stealing of the Democratic Primaries by the racist Obama faction is the latest coup for them; you remember Obama: he's the Messiah who attended Jeremiah Wright's virulently racist 'Church' for over 20 years, and then claimed he never heard a word good ole Reverend Wright ever said, nor read any of the literature in the lobby ...

They have nothng left but catering to groups based on race. It's a marketing plan, not a political principle of any kind.

 

Y DU U H8 The Environment, WYLY ???

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