Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide?

using the decline of Hawaii's native population as guide they experienced a 80-90% decline in numbers through introduced disease population estimates were 300K to 700K in 1778 and dropped to about 40K in 1890...

so historical accounts of an entire native settlements in the Americas wiped out by disease are likely true, the total death toll throughout the americas may very well be huge...

 

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i'd much prefer it if you spent your time investigating the reports of verbal abuse I send you

 

Oh, let's just make it 3 billion. Just pay no attention to things like populations versus agricultural outputs and hunting ranges and how they affect sustainable population rates.

 

I would say yes. The American Indians were essentially victims of genocide. The real question, hundreds of years later, is "so what"? Are you posturing to discriminate against me some more by increasing their government cheese or beer allotment? Are you proposing some type of mass Hara-kiri among Americans that actually have relatives that go back to the Indian wars? Is this like another gay marriage debate? Disguise financial gain under some type of discrimination?

 

just honor the treaties that were broken, a contract is a contract.

 

What "treaties"? I'm not honoring SHI*. I don't care what the abusive Europeans did before my ancestors came to the USA in 1910. If you have a problem with it, YOU PAY MORE TAXES.

 

a treaty is a contract between the us government and the bands. nobody cares what you think should be honored.

 

And my middle finger is my middle finger. You want to try to remove it, bring it on.

 

hahahahaahahahahahahahaahah

 

Typical. Didn't you indicate that you were Canadian? Shouldn't you be ice-skating to avoid the consequences of realities in the modern world?

 

this is far more fun!! lol

 

Dude, I'm about three craft beers in and you are STILL not making any sense. For the record, one of them was a Unibroue Trois Pistoles.

 

then I'm on the right track

 

At least your racism is right out there for everyone to see. It's still wrong, of course, but it's not hidden under a bunch of euphemisms like so much of it tends to be.

If the above post survived, how bad must have the ones that were deleted been?

 

You people are despised misfits who don't belong in a civilized and productive society. You get even with people who are a lot better than yourselves by trying to make us ashamed of the way we treated obsolete sub-species who got in the way of progress. Rich parasites can only loot us if we lose our pride, so they created an unjustified guilt for "social injustice" to soften us up psychologically before clubbing us economically. You White-haters are working for the Right Wing and don't even know it. You will also never admit it because, not having anything about yourselves to be proud about, you have to get pride by insulting those who do belong in a civilized and productive society.

 

au contraire. we get our self esteem by comparing our posts to the nonsense written here

 

Those treaties were made by the same kind of White-haters we got stuck with in our government today. If a law is against the will of the majority, real Americans ignore it. So real Americans, whom the ruling class feels it must prevent from getting too powerful, broke none of their own treaties because they had none. We weren't Indian Givers. We got nothing from them, so we gave them nothing.

 

Good speech. I admire your emotional style. Take another drink and give us something else.

 

This post pretty much covers it as succinctly as possible.

 

Perhaps the near death experience of Ms. Beverly Broadsky will come across to you more clearly. Everything around us has been allowed to test us........if you could imagine that every person living on this earth at this time is probably one of your great, great, great, great grandsons or granddaughters from one or more of your probable past lives.....then your view of the gifts given to other racial groups would become more valuable to you!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/judaism02.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...eventually-led-back-heaven-paradise-love.html

 

Was the North the victim of Southern Genocide in the Civil War? Was the South the victim of Northern genocide in the Civil War?.........millions died. So, were Natives the victim of Genocide? The answer to these questions is, NO. Southerners remain. Northerners remain. Natives remain. We all tried to kill each other off. Fortunately, the North won. And the survivors carried on. Were the North and the unified country that followed, merciless and genocidal, there'd be no southern or native ancestry remaining. The power was theirs to spare or not. They chose to spare. So I thank God for Americans, for Europeans, and for Northerners.

There are millions of natives today....nearly a million in California alone. The average yearly income of natives is around forty grand. Seventy five percent of natives have at least a high school diploma. Native businesses produce 25-30 billion dollars yearly. And there are 175,000 native veterans of the United States military walking around this day in America, having fought for all our liberty. All this talk about native genocide is just bluesy theatrics from the leftist counter culture movement, in the attempt to help bring down and destroy America by simply lying.

 

It sounds to me that you might not be eagerly awaiting the coming of the Warriors of the Rainbow??!!

http://indianinthemachine.wordpress...f-fire-cree-prophecy-warriors-of-the-rainbow/

 

I think you might be confusing it a little. Genocide is not determined by it's success. Aside from small, insular peoples like islanders (which the British did a stellar job of) it is very hard to actually follow through with genocide- even in the most determined attempt. It's the practice that determines genocide, but when thinking about it, you are right. The US was not trying to wipe out every Indian, they were just determined to remove all resistance to their ambition of controlling all the land between the oceans. I've heard some people call this "land-reform" or "using the land better", but it's generally a policy of racial cleansing that borders skirts genocide.

Yeah, I'll definitely have to rethink that. The US wasn't deliberately trying to kill every Indian, they were just killing a whole bunch of them in order to take their land. Well...that's the official version anyway. There was no shortage of people who widely saw Indian attacks as a form of land-purification and anything that pushed the borders of the nation west was encouraged on every level. There were sympathetic Americans, but...there are always sympathetic people in defiance of known atrocities.

 

Is this supposed to bring the white man up to par with the ancient natives, the natives who murdered, tortured, warred, stole, lusted, smoked, used drugs, practiced homosexuality, committed adultery, and so on? Or is this for the natives themselves who needed the rainbow warrior long before the white man came. Since when were the natives ever united anyway? There were hundreds of tribes or different nations, with different ways. As far as I know, native unition is now via the white mans democracy and constitution.