Yes, in a sinful world, people can and often do succumb to temptation. In such a case, when people don't follow through with abstinence, that's no longer abstinence -- Abstinence works at a 100% rate. I hear that one person did...
You said that every fertilization does not pass through those stages. Obviously, many fertilizations DO pass through them (look at all of the mature adults around you). But I know what you meant, which is that fertilization does not guarantee that the human reaches later life stages (one can die at any time, ya know). Correct, and better worded this time The human will always strive to develop through all the stages of human life, but may not be successful in doing so. I am gfm7175, not God. I will take this response as a "yes"... "Yes, this is indeed regarding the human (homo sapien sapien) species". I'm glad that we agree. Perfect. I am glad that you agree that life is present with regard to all of those stages of human development. Given that, the logical conclusion of your views on abortion is that you wholeheartedly condone the killing of living humans who have committed no crime nor have expressed any desire to die. That's disgusting, IMHO.
I posted a headline. I said this "If the baby is born and the mother and the doctor decide to kill it it is infanticide, period. "
Do you honestly think , after 10,000 years of human history , that humans will give up sex? PUHlese...that's not going to happen and wishing or saying "should" will not change that.
VIABLILTY is your standard for whether someone can be killed try again What if someone gets stage 4 pancreatic cancer at the age of 50, how viable are they now?
This is The State Of Abortion thread: ↑ Poster:It is not possible to abort an infant.""" You: ""Of course it is possible and happens everyday""
If 95 out of 100 fail, then the policy has 95% fail rate One out of 107 billion (that's how many humans have estimated to have lived). Tends to prove my point. And also inside marriage, because married people have unplanned pregnancies and abortions too.
FoxHastings said: ↑ No, viability is 23 weeks... LOL.............. A 50 YEAR OLD "FETUS"....oh my.... that poor woman !!! Oh, I'm sorry, didn't you know you're in the ABORTION Forum and that's what's being discussed?? No, it's science's and the law's and my standard for when a fetus cannot be killed. Oh, I'm sorry, didn't you know you're in the ABORTION Forum and that's what's being discussed?? UHGUGGA DUH, they were viable BEFORE the cancer.
I love when people on the "pro-abortion" side of the issue eventually resort to this, as if it is only Christians who do not condone abortion. --- it's yet another of a million examples of bigotry...
One can be human and abstain from sex until marriage. One can also be human and have sex before marriage. It's called a CHOICE. FREE WILL. Humans have that capability.
No learn the difference that is the point how about an answer? You base it on viability of the life, that if the baby is not viable then OK to kill. So how about someone with stage 4 pancratic cancer whose life is no longer viable and will die within weeks. Your standard doesn't seem to stand up to testing.
I said nothing about giving up sex. Please be honest about what I say. That is also why I tend to ignore many of your responses to me (because of your refusal to be honest about my statements). See above.
I was an 18 year old entering college and all for abortion for all the pro-abortion fallacies. Then I majored in biology and studied embryology and learned that it is a human life from conception, studied the development of the species. It was a follow the science epiphany and all my points are based on that science. But when you present that unrefutable science the pro side quickly goes to the "well you just believe in God" thingy. Nope I believe in the science.
This shows how dangerous the liberal position of condoning the killing of living humans who have committed no crime nor expressed any desire to die truly is...
it terminates a life. That's my objection. Isn't it obvious? This is the beginnings of a mango tree. It grows little bit every day, until it becomes a tree. If it grows, its alive. Dead things don't grow. I know you don't agree, but its what I believe.
That says nothing about the 5 out 100 who choose to "follow the policy" (abstain from sex). Of those 5, there is a 100% success rate. If the other 95 would join in as well, then 100 out of 100 would enjoy a 100% success rate. Abstinence is 100% foolproof, if only people would be willing to do it. Life is all about choices, and the consequences of said choices. Likewise, with contraceptives, they only have a very high (but not quite 100%) success rate if people "follow the policy" (iow, if people make use of them properly). Skipping doses, putting a condom on incorrectly, etc is not properly using contraceptives, just as abstaining most of the time is not properly abstaining. Yes, one out of some unknown very high number. That's correct. Your point is moot, as described above. Indeed they do, and for the same reasons.
Bingo. And even from someone such as myself who actually is a Christian, this is a topic in which one doesn't even need to rely on any sort of religious belief in the teeniest tiniest bit. Why? Because there is this little thing called biology. If one is literate in biology, specifically regarding human development, then one quickly comes to the realization that human life begins at conception (or 'fertilization'). You will notice that I, as a Christian, don't quote Bible verses when I speak about this topic. That is because there is no need for me to do so, especially towards people who do not accept The Bible as an authoritative source on the matter. I can instead refer such people to the relevant biology. Surely they accept science as an authoritative source, right? Surely they aren't "science deniers", right?
Which is absolutely true. Nearly 50% of fertilisations do not make it to the next stage. And that does not contradict what I said. So, why the bishing and moaning then? A ZEF is not a human being.
No. As long as you say "life begins at conception" I will assume you are religious because tjete is no scientific nasis for that claim.
