Sorry, but nobody wants to bring back the medieval.. After Ford started mass producing cars, the price kept dropping. Fine grained statistics are limited, but one study done (I think) in 1924 of poor people showed most had cars, about twice as many as had bathtubs. Privacy means sex. This isn't relevant, but this reminded me of a short lived Brit habit of auctioning off their wives. Do you know women have an opinion on this?
I think the issue is there is a definite moral distinction between being "alive" and "a life" that is worth protecting. A tumor grows and is made of living cells, but we don't protect it like a person. Every cell in your body is alive, and many could be nurtured to exist outside of the body, but we don't give these cell colonies rights. Similarly, most normal people don't cry for the sake of the tree when it is cut down. We might be disappointed in thinning forests or fewer mangos, but not the life of the individual tree. Why? Because the tree has no mind, no feelings, none of the things that give it moral relevance as an individual. There comes a point where the fetus can achieve these things, but it's not until later in the 2nd trimester after abortions normally occur.
Are you wondering why we don't protect a tumor like a person? Of course, but not every cell becomes a human being. The germinated mango seed WILL become a mango tree, and a fetus WILL become a human. A process in them has been initiated and the end result is good. Can't say the same about a tumor, can you?
Not without the incredibly sophisticated intervention of the mother's body. It doesn't do anything on its own. Similarly, any cell in your body could be induced to become a person with a bit more technology than we have today (induced totipotency).
Yes a human life and our highest right is our right to life which is not granted by some government or some law, we are created with it. Yet you support allowing that human life to be killed simply because the mother wants it dead? Very pretty but it has nothing to do with our discussion about human beings and human life. As I noted I majored in biology through my sophomore year, studied embryology, I doubt there is much you could teach me here.
All those cells from your very first one becomes you the human being, they are all human being cells. I don't think you understand the difference between types of cells, what is a zygote and cell specialization which begins within a matter of days, about 4 to be exact, in the newly conceived human being. And we are not plants and develop differently from plants but that being said the germinated mango seed is a mango, of more specifically a Mangifera indica, at the stage of the life of a mango. Any botonist would recognize is the living Mangifera indica at that stage of life of a Mangifera indica. And by supply nurishiment and water and needed protection against the environment will contine through the stages of life of Mangifera indica Here they are Stage 1. Seed Stage 2. Germinating Stage 3. Young Seedling Stage 4. Older Mango Stage 5. Mango Flowering Stage 6. Mango Fruit Bearing Stage 7. Harvesting Stage 8. Drying This stages is the mango fruit turns brown and begins to dry. The fruit will fall and then dry—the mango fruit will decay. But the mango tree will continue to fruit. It will bear more fruits sooner. But after years, the tree will also decay. You need to prepare your seeds and grow a new tree again if that happens. There are many seeds and fruit which you can use again and again. It is excellent to know the growth stages of mango, life cycle. Of course if you kill during any of the those stages as in an abortion................ A human fetus is a human, it can't be anything else but a human, from the moment that process is begun.
I posted it from the textbooks and and I told my belief why are you assuming a fake one? You don't follow the science?
Not if they used the highly effective birth control widely available and watch the calendar too. Tell me do you believe some right to an orgasm through heterosexual intercourse trumps the right to life?
You don't have to have a religious faith to have morals and ethics, to know right and wrong, to understand we are all created with certainly inalienable rights the foremost being our right to life. The pro-abortion side when presented with the facts, the science and can't refute it try to get dismissive with the well you just believe in God so what you think doesn't count. Pitiful.
Oh, I'm sorry, didn't you know you're in the ABORTION Forum and that's what's being discussed?? No, it's science's and the law's and my standard for when a fetus cannot be killed. Your strange belief that un an unborn fetus and a BORN person are the same thing will always hinder your ability to learn. YOU GOT AN ANSWER: Oh, I'm sorry, didn't you know you're in the ABORTION Forum and that's what's being discussed?? it's science's and the law's and my standard for when a fetus cannot be killed. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean you didn't get one.. Your strange belief that un an unborn fetus and a BORN person are the same thing will always hinder your ability to learn.
Post # 3703 : """""Nah, they just need to stop having sex outside of marriage. gfm7175, Yesterday at 11:00 AM """""""""""""""""""""""""""
This shows how dangerous the righty position of thinking the unborn have more rights than the born, is.
Paradox. [1] 100% of fertilizations do not make it to the next stage. [2] ~50% of fertilizations do not make it to the next stage. You are now being irrational because you refuse to admit that you poorly worded a statement. It's okay, as I understood what you meant, but it was poorly worded as originally stated. Yes, it does, and you are now in paradox because you refuse to admit that you poorly worded your original statement. IOW, you are now being irrational. That's your issue, not mine. I've merely pointed out that your original statement was poorly worded. Instead of saying "oh yeah, I guess you're right... whoops!", you have decided to form a paradox and start arguing irrationally about it. You've already admitted that a ZEF is a living human. That's all that matters. You are condoning the killing of living humans who have committed no crime nor have expressed any desire to die. That is a morally abhorrent position to take.
You've already been told and had explained the biology that supports the claim. No religious beliefs are necessary. Strictly science.
I've never said that sex in and of itself is sinful. You are taking this particular discussion out of context.
There is nothing medieval about abstinence. It occurs and works even today. Completely unrelated to the discussion being held.
Ritter said: ↑ No. As long as you say "life begins at conception" I will assume you are religious because tjete is no scientific nasis for that claim. NO, it does not. NO "ology" states when "life" begins.....and even if they did , law rules... . ...not from the right....
You have removed my statement from the context that it was made in. The context it was made in was specifically about "unwanted pregnancies".
As long as you ignore human nature, sure. But the second you acknowledge the world has changed, your fantasy and power trip are revealed.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Post # 3703 : """""Nah, they just need to stop having sex outside of marriage. gfm7175, Yesterday at 11:00 AM """"""""""""""""""""""""" Wriggle squirm....you said ""just need to stop having sex"".... a ridiculous statement inside or outside of marriage.. An unwanted pregnancy can happen whether the woman is married or not.
Pro_Line_FL said: ↑ And also inside marriage, because married people have unplanned pregnancies and abortions too. IF they CHOOSE to....BC is NOT obligatory... It doesn't have to...each can co-exist and both do.
Nor is an orgasm through intercourse but if you choose to do so and do not take the HIGHLY effective means to prevent a new human life to be created then you bear responsibility for that life. Which one is the higher right, to an orgasm through heterosexual intercourse or to your life?
False I have quoted the college textbooks to your repeatedly why do you deny the science? It's not a matter of man made laws.
