What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

    41 vote(s)
    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

    16 vote(s)
    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

    24 vote(s)
    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

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    5.8%
  1. Chrizton

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    I disagree with the bolded part but otherwise agree. Not every doctor is qualified and experienced at the procedure so such a law would have ER doctors charged with murder for not performing a procedure they can't do safely to begin with.
     
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    I don't think it's a comprehension problem with those who want to shut down PP. It's a power and control issue. They are fighting to control a specific population, women. Reproductive choice is a blueprint for an individuals quality of life and how they want to live their life. I support that individual decision.
     
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    So conservatives don't get abortions? That is a bold claim. Quick question. If the Republican court made a constitutional decision as you claim, doesn't that mean you are admitting most Trump supporters supporting judicial nominees who support over turning roe v wade activists judges?

    If the right doesn't need illigals then why does Trump not send ICE to farm feilds and construction sites to round up illigals and severely fine employers? Fine them enough that it cost more to employ illigals then it does Americans. Most of the illigals come here for jobs. If we don't squash the job opportunities, walls will not stop them. I mean really. Your family is starving and all you got to do is get across the border and jobs galore await you. The lucky ones can even get employmemt at mar a lago.

    You may want to look into illigal immigration a little deeper. Your views seem binary and self serving.
     
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    I said christians don't get abortions.

    And the wall that bill Clinton started with mexico is working , so many dead mexicans in the desert trying to walk around the wall


    https://www.usatoday.com/border-wal...co-border-deaths-organ-pipe-cactus/608910001/



    Deaths increasing: The remains of 81 migrants have been recovered in southern Arizona in 2017 as of the end of June. (Nick Oza/USA TODAY NETWORK)

    *Snip*

    So people die here, and keep dying. And a wall may only speed their pace.
     
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    The wall isn't working. Half of illigals in this country entered legally. Walls won't stop that.
    So again, assuming the wall is at least partially effective, do you not think reducing the illigal labor market would be much cheaper and more effective? The hypocrisy on this is staggering (not necessarily you). I live in a high ag area and the farmers have vote Trump signs on the highway side of the crop circles while biulding housing for illegal farm labor in the back. Do you not see the disconnect here? I stand by my statement that illigals are a bipartison issue.

    Christians don't get abortions? The link below says otherwise.

    https://www.redbookmag.com/body/pre...an-women-speak-out-on-why-they-had-abortions/
     
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    You should tell that to the dead families that the wall isn't working.

    You are not a christian if you have an abortion, that's my point.
     
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    Distribution of women in the U.S. who obtained an abortion in 2014, by religious affiliation


    Search: Records:
    Share of women obtaining abortions
    Mainline Protestant 17.3%
    Evangelical Protestant 12.8%
    Roman Catholic 23.7%

    Other 8.2%
    None 38%
    Showing entries 1 to 5 (5 entries in total)
    Created with Highcharts 5.0.14Share of women obtaining abortions17.3%17.3%12.8%12.8%23.7%23.7%8.2%8.2%38%38%Mainline ProtestantEvangelical ProtestantRoman CatholicOtherNone
     
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    Why aren't you a christian if you get an abortion?

    If you think it's a sin, well, Christians sin....even their god said they ALL do...:)
     
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    I wonder what is less Christian, legal abortion or your comment. I am not a bible scholar by any means but pretty sure it isn't your job to decide who is Christian. If it was your job do you think liars are Christians?
     
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    I don't think it's a sin, it is a sin, so with that logic anything goes??
     
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    While I agree with you your statement that abortion is considered a "sin" to Christians, I find it weird that the bible has instructions and a recipe for committing abortions despite being a sin.
     
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    Ephesians 5:11

    Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
     
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    Where?
     
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    Did they repent ?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Why aren't you a christian if you get an abortion?

    If you think it's a sin, well, Christians sin....even their god said they ALL do...:)


    I never said that.

    I did POINT OUT that despite your protestation, Christians DO have abortions....

    THAT was our discussion.
     
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    I did POINT OUT that despite your protestation, Christians DO have abortions....

    THAT was our discussion.

    I don't give a darn if the "repented"..
     
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    Once again they are not christian if they have had an abortion, I can call myself an atheist or the cookie monster, it's words only
     
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    WHO TF are YOU to decide who is or isn't Christian? Show me proof that God made you his representative??

    You are saying , that despite the words of your own God, that anyone who commits a sin is not a Christian....


    The jokes on you ….many Christian women have had abortions and they are still Christian and YOU can't change that :) :)
     
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    Once again I take no part of the evil deeds of darkness but rather expose them for what they are, like I said they can call themselves the cookie monster if they like, but they are no christian.
     
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    You have been shown that both Christians and Republicans have abortions. You have NO proof it's otherwise.

    If you want to keep on about sins and Christians take it to the Religion Forum.


    You are saying , that despite the words of your own God, that anyone who commits a sin is not a Christian....


    Here's some more words from YOUR god:

    "Judge not lest YOU be judged".....sound familiar?
     
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    Once again I take no part in the evil deeds of darkness but rather expose them, I am not going to sit by and keep my mouth shut that abortion is murder no matter how much you want to justify it and once again you can call yourself any name you choose but a christian you are not.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    You have been shown that both Christians and Republicans have abortions. You have NO proof it's otherwise.

    If you want to keep on about sins and Christians take it to the Religion Forum.


    You are saying , that despite the words of your own God, that anyone who commits a sin is not a Christian....


    Here's some more words from YOUR god:

    "Judge not lest YOU be judged".....sound familiar?


    I see you don't really like to address the actual content of my post ;)

    Do please inform god that you are ready for your sainthood because of all the humans on earth , he lied, and you are sinless.

    BTW, I NEVER said I was a Christian...


    Now, take your religion to the proper forum...
     
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    Abortion is the killing of an individual human being whether it be at the point of fertilization or 9 months gestation.

    "Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
    [O'Rahilly, Ronan and M�ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]
     
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    Still not a legal person until birth.
     
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    Exposing them does not mean you can judge who is a Christian.

    How about Mathews 7:1-6?

    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
     

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