What do you think about Trump's comments about Mexican immigrants?

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  1. IronFist

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    I don't understand why he is always bashed for his views. Seems like the main media outlets are doing everything possible to discredit Donald Trump. Not a single candidate is attacked so frequently. Maybe it's because he has his own opinion on things? Anyway, if you look at crime and immigration rates he is right. The majority of crimes are being performed by illegals and everyone understands that.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Trump were running for dog catcher in Wilmington, Delaware, and corporations really did get to cast a vote, I would still consider him unelectable. To that extent, he can say whatever he wants. I think most Americans give him about as much due consideration as they do the guy panhandling by the liquor store who whose "car broke down".
     
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    Oh, okay.

    Anyway, Trump knows just who he is speaking to.
     
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    Trump is the poster child for corporate corruption and crony capitalism. He is deliberately appealing to hate and bigotry as he knows those are becoming the two major values of the Republicans and he wants to be in charge of them. He is a very dangerous man, dishonest and utterly without scruples, who will do anything to accomplish his goals, which are nothing more nor less than to become as powerful as he can
     
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    http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/07/02/3676299/donald-trump-latino-vote/?



    Latino Leader On Donald Trump: He Is ‘Exposing A Lot Of The Dirty Truths Of The Republican Party’



    Real estate mogul and presidential candidate Donald Trump touted his business and dealmaking expertise in his campaign launch speech last month, saying, “I did a lot of great deals and I did them early and young, and now I’m building all over the world.” But remarks he made in that same speech are threatening his business empire as companies move to distance themselves from the candidate who said that undocumented immigrants from Mexico “killers and rapists.” On Monday, NBC cut ties with Trump and on Wednesday, Macy’s announced it would stop carrying merchandise from his brand.
    “We are disappointed and distressed by recent remarks about immigrants from Mexico,” Macy’s said in a statement. “We do not believe the disparaging characterizations portray an accurate picture of the many Mexicans, Mexican Americans and Latinos who have made so many valuable contributions to the success of our nation.”
    Trump responded on Wednesday, saying it was his decision to terminate his relationship with Macy’s and NBC because the corporations clearly “support illegal immigration, which is totally detrimental to the fabric of our once great country.”
    One group that hasn’t yet cut ties with the real estate mogul is the Republican Party. While NBC, Univision and Macy’s have publicly denounced his beliefs, members of the Republican party have remained silent or have expressed their support for his anti-immigrant sentiment. On Tuesday, 2016 candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), whose father is Cuban, defended his opponent, saying, “I like Donald Trump. I think he’s terrific, I think he’s brash, I think he speaks the truth.”
    The Republican Party has made it a priority for 2016 to reach out to Latino voters — an effort that was detailed in a report commissioned after its 2012 presidential election loss. The LIBRE Initiative, a group funded by the billionaire conservative Koch brothers, has launched initiatives in Nevada and other battleground states to connect with Latinos including driver’s test classes and tax preparation sessions. And Republican candidates like Jeb Bush have already hired campaign staffers to take on their Latino outreach effort. But at the same time, candidates vying for the party’s nomination like Trump have continued to make disparaging comments about Latinos in the United States, and the party has yet to condemn them.
    “Donald Trump’s remarks are very racially charged and should have no place in the American political dialogue of today,” Arturo Carmona, the executive director of Latino advocacy group Presente Action, told ThinkProgress. “In a way, it’s good that we have somebody that’s actually speaking the truth like Donald Trump about what’s really motivating many of these [anti-immigrant] policies. I’d rather have somebody like Trump be honest about what the motivations are than have the GOP and Congress hiding behind political rhetoric, but at the same time, passing policies that are criminalizing immigrants and trying to take away executive action protections.”
    While some members of the Republican party will attempt to distance themselves from Trump and his remarks to appeal to a wider swath of voters, Carmona said it won’t be so easy.
    “[Trump’s remarks] show powerful racist undercurrents that are connected with very important sectors of the GOP and the Republican party,” he said. “Now many of its leaders try to distance themselves from that, but very often, as we’ve seen with Trump and many other right-wing leaders, we see that they often pop their head out and the GOP quickly wants to hide them and throw them under the carpet. Well they can’t do that anymore with Donald Trump running for president and it’s going to have a very important impact in showcasing the true colors of the Republican Party.”
    Despite Trump’s belief that he does “great with Latino voters,” he is not making much of an effort to win their support. Even before he publicly disparaged Mexican immigrants, he spoke about the growth of the U.S. Latino population and his lack of interest in winning the group’s support. “But of those 11 million potential voters, which will go to 30 million in the not-too-long future, you will not get any of those votes no matter what you do,” he said at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference.
    A record 25.2 million Latinos were eligible to vote in the 2014 midterm election and as the fastest growing U.S. group, the population will be even larger and more crucial in 2016. While Trump is currently polling well among the GOP base in New Hampshire and Iowa, the demographics of the early primary states are not reflective of the population he would have to win over to get the nomination.
    And though it appears like the controversy over his comments has not yet had a negative effect on his standing among the candidates — indicating that some of the Republican base takes no issue with anti-immigrant rhetoric — his high position in recent polls isn’t likely to last when voting moves to other, more diverse states like Nevada.
    “The fact that Donald Trump is polling so high in some of these early voting states is because there is still a significant share of the population — a minority but a very influencial portion of the Republican Party — that is still anti-immigrant and anti-Latino and I would venture to say anti-communities of color,” Carmona said. “But they’re a minority and they drive an agenda based on fear, based on division and based on the superiority of one group. And I think that’s something that this country is quickly running away from. The electorate is rapidly changing and any candidate that is associated with that platform, as most of the GOPers are, is destined to lose.”
    While most of the Republican presidential candidates do not support comprehensive immigration reform, Trump has been one of the more vocal on his opposition to giving immigrants a path to citizenship. He said during his announcement speech that he would “build a great wall” on the southern border and that he would dismantle President Barack Obama’s 2012 executive action that has shielded hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants from deportation.
    If Trump is able to maintain his high support until the beginning of August, the GOP will have no choice but to let him participate in the first debate which will include the top ten candidates in national polls at the time. The move could end badly and would give the provocative real estate mogul more exposure than other more qualified candidates.
    “The fact that Donald Trump is exposing a lot of the dirty truths of the Republican party is good in the sense that we want an honest debate,” Carmona said. “Latinos deserve to know what is fueling all of these anti-immigrant policies that have ravaged virtually every state in the country and at the national level that have led to deportation.”
     
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    His words were very poorly chosen...but his main point is valid.

    We are allowing many criminals to walk into the country and not just Mexicans.

    I am all for making legal immigration faster and easier for law abiding people who want to assimilate into American culture.

    I also believe we need to effectively control our borders.
     
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    His blustering braggadocio and vindictiveness would be a disaster on the international stage. Apparently Trump thinks that diplomacy is just a bunch of sissies attempting to practice the "art of the deal" of which he is the self proclaimed all time champion.

    Funny how the soviets built an iron curtain to keep people in, while some americans want to build their own version of the berlin wall to keep people out.
    Polar opposites in perspective, yet similar in practice.
     
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    who cares about globalists anyway, what matters is the usa gains jobs back start paying off the huge deficit with more GDP and secure its borders. that tops on the list , international events are a back seat
     
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    Pretty funny reply, considering not so long after 911 America voted for a man named barrack Hussain Obama, a man with ties to domestic terrorists ,had really zero qualifications but had this neato slogan about hoping and changing. Oh yea and it would be way cool to elect a black dude for a changey. Buddy, anything is possible. Of course the media will smash Trump, they are in the grill with the career criminal politicians. Already they are trying to make sure Clinton and bush are the 2 fools we get to pick from. I'm not a huge Trump fan but u better believe I would vote for him over a career hoodlum politician named bush or Clinton.
     
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    Some people in fact too many people have a problem with the truth, they can't handle the truth.

    Trump just said what most Americans can just look around themselves and observe. Latin America has been sending their losers towards El Norte and they are bringing their problems and politics with them.
     
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    People vote for their dogs, Mickey Mouse, and some very strange Californians for President as well, but it doesn't make any of them electable.
     
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    I do not agree with his comments; but I do admire him for his plain talk on issues. The other candidates simply pander to their audiences, saying what they think the audience wants to hear. Trump says what many Americans think but dare not say for political correctness. I hope he stays in the race just for the fresh air in stale politics.
     
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    Utter nonsense. A nation must control their borders, as mexico does, and any nation that has any damned sense. The stupidity here of those that do not believe a nation should control the influx of illegals is just surreal. It is no different than 20 people showing up at your house, and just walking on in. f you would be ok with that, then at least your beliefs are consistent. But if you would not take them in, then the hypocrisy here is eyeball deep.

    A nation has to managed its immigration in the interests of the citizens. So what do you propose when there are say,100 million illegals, growing everyday, with no way to support themselves. You want to see refuge camps, tent cities, and do you want to donate half your wealth and salary to care for them, or will you just pass that buck on? I think you would pass it on. For you will write checks that you cannot cash, and then put these costs on others. Utter hypocrisy, from living in a world of your own fantastical creation. You guys are incredible, incredibly dangerous to a sovereign nation. And with that kind of intellect, let us hope we do not have a catastrophic cataclysm, for such people will indeed win darwins award and go extinct. Which would of course improve our gene pool.
     
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    Agree, these political correct police make debating a topic all but impossible. Trump throws it out there , too damn bad if sensitive libs don't like it. First amendment baby.
     
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    Legal immigrants made this country, not illegal immigrants. If you look at the polls, most Americans favor legal immigration, most Americans are against illegal immigration. It is the difference of being lawful and being a criminal.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...current_events/immigration/immigration_update

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...-deportations-for-illegal-immigrants-n1981771
     
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    The Republicans are just like the Democrats. They'd sell their own mothers for a vote, and they don't care who else gets hurt by it either.

    A pox on both their houses. This two-party partisan thing has to go.
     
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    What part of "illegal" do the bleeding heart liberals not understand? They have no rights and should be deported.

    In a practical sense, those who are law-abiding, and have been here several years should be given a method to become legal. FIRST WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD SEAL THE BORDERS AND PORTS! I think there's credibility to Rubio's approach.

    Trump is generally right on!
     
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    The Trump is being rejected by corporate interests, the entertainment industry that made "Trump" a household dirty word, and the establishment elites that control the GOP.

    At a time that the former two seek to appeal America's increasingly diverse populace as customers, and the latter desperately tries to sell them on a 90% White party as an existential imperative, the Trump is running to be President of the TPs - a far, far cry from being President of the US.
     
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    I am very liberal, but I think the presidency should not be a crown passed between two wealthy families. I do not trust Clinton or Bush pretending to be working-class candidates guarding every word they say. Trump would make the political debate real and dynamic.
     
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    Trump is being promoted by undercover Democrats in order to poison the Republican brand.
     
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    What do you think of Jim Webb on the other side?
     
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    He won't go to jail for his views but his electability will suffer for many who might have considered voting for him no longer will. As one pundit put it, "he'll implode within 6 months".
     
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    I don't think he'd make a good president because he's too much "my way or the highway," but his concerns about Mexico are valid. People who think he was defaming Latinos on the basis of race are just stupid. He specifically said the ones they are sending us are not their best, implying that they have a "best" and that they aren't the ones crashing the gates. He also acknowledged that even some of the gate crashers are good people.
     
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    Trump is a hero to millions, his remarks are exactly what they think, they love him for it, they think he's a god.

    They want to be like Trump, they want to emulate them in their own lives every day. He is a true conservative hero. He stands for ALL conservative ideologies, xenophobia, racism, fearmongering, hatred, failed businesses, firing poor people, taking advantage of stupid people, he's everything that every conservative hopes to aspire to. Hell, even FOX News went out of their way to defend his remarks, even after CNN had him clarify his remarks and he told them the exact same thing.

    Trump is Conservative America's only hope to return to the oppressive time of the 1950's they know that, and that's why they are dumping millions of dollars into his campaign. They love his remarks, they think that anyone that isn't white is a rapist with a few good people scattered here and there. Trump is what the average Conservative actually thinks when they think of other races.

    I mean my god, Trump almost quoted the same things that that character Roof said about black people but turned it towards Mexicans and he's getting millions of dollars a day for it out of conservatives own pockets. LMAO!
     
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    The liberals think Obama has made a fine president, and he's definitely "my way or the highway!" I happen to think liberals are 100% wrong on the issue, but perhaps we may need someone like Trump.
     

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