What does Bible say about Atheism?

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  1. Neutral

    Neutral New Member Past Donor

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    Oh, your atheism is based on proiof is it?

    Well, lets see it then?

    Go ahead, show us that test that confirms there is no God? Go ahead, shw us the impeccable reasning that lead you to conclude there is no God.

    You claimed the mantel of science for your religion, now lets see it.
     
  2. FreeWare

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    If you manage to get Ostap to sign on it, why not.
     
  3. MrConservative

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    Actually it did. During the 8th century, the Franks where the main civilization in Europe, and arranged marriages, as well as divorce, having several concubines. The Church emphasized monogamy, prohibited divorce, and that a girl over fifteen had to give her consent to her guardian's choice or her marriage would not be valid in the eyes of the Church. This gave women the right to marry whom they please.

    It's also interesting to point out that virtually every culture in Western Civ prior to Christianity believed in arranged marriages. You can say it's purely subjective improvement, but a lot of people are going to disagree you.

    It doesn't have to be uniquely Christian. It does however help dispel the silly myth that Christian Europe was nothing but a reign of violence and terror.

    True, but the university system we use to day came from Catholic universities.




    The ancient Romans used infanticide to limit the size of their families. This was a practice that carried on into the Frankish kingdoms. The Church tried to end it by convincing people to leave off unwanted babies in Churches and monasteries.

    Apparently, the ancient Romans weren't very good at charity. The pagan Emperor Julian complained that Christians where giving more charity to the pagans than they where.

    Also, what I haven't mentioned is the contributions the Jesuits made to science. Craters on the moon are named after various Jesuit priests, and seismology used to be refereed to as the "Jesuit science."
     
  4. thebrucebeat

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    Please explain.
    If these were part of the law, and not a jot or tiddle would pass away with the coming of Christ, why were Christians not under this law?
    They are inconvenient, but you have not explained why you think they had no application to the new faith.
     
  5. Friedman

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    Humanism? Nihilism?

    There are many atheistic doctrines as well as many theistic doctrines.
     
  6. Wolverine

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    Humanism? Hmmmmm..... there is secular and religious humanism.... and you can be a nihilist and a theist at the same time.

    So I must be missing your point.
     
  7. Friedman

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    Fine secular humanism :gun:. I sort of meant atheist existentialism as well (Satre, Camus etc). Happy you pedantic freak?
     
  8. Wolverine

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    Those are hardly "atheist doctrines".

    Oh, and none of them call for the BS in the OP.
     
  9. Friedman

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    Yes they are!! They are doctrines and they are atheist; wtf?
     
  10. Wolverine

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    Association fallacy anyone?
     
  11. Friedman

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    Nope I'm saying all atheists are existentialist etc. But they are doctrines which happen to be atheistic. Saying they are not is like saying Christianity is not a theistic doctrine.
     
  12. Wolverine

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    Um..... nope. Atheism can incorporate any number of beliefs. Many Buddhists consider themselves to be atheist, however still spiritual. That is far removed from existentialism.
     
  13. Friedman

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    Oops meant: "Nope I'm not saying all atheists are existentialist etc."
     
  14. Wolverine

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    That would be an accurate statement.

    The only thing that all atheists have in common is a lack of belief in a theistic god. Very few are certain that the being does not exist, simply lack the evidence to believe that it does. That is one of the biggest reasons why secular organizations have a more difficult time rallying people than religious people, too many different people, with too many different beliefs and interests to truly be placed under one umbrella.
     
  15. Friedman

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    Exactly. The Humanist lot here do it quite effectively but obviously that's not all (although most atheist philosophers) atheists.
     
  16. Wolverine

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    True, however Humanism is not restricted to secular reasoning. There is also religious humanism as well.
     
  17. Friedman

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    Well yes but their religion rarely involves the supernatural.
     
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    Religious humanism is the acceptance of the supernatural.
     
  19. Friedman

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    "referred to humanism as a religious movement meant to transcend and replace previous, deity-based religions. "

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Humanism
     
  20. Wolverine

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    Right, however that does not mean they cannot believe in the supernatural. It is largely a movement to put the well being of humans (basic tenant of Humanism) above senseless worship. A religious humanist can still believe in the supernatural and in a god.
     
  21. Friedman

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    Yes but very, very few humanists do.
     
  22. Wolverine

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    Depends if they secular or religious humanists.
     
  23. Friedman

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    Secular Humanism rejects religion entirely.
     
  24. Wolverine

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    Thats obvious. "Secular".
     
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    that would be the equal of saying Florida is the main civilization of the USA, the franks occupied a small corner of Europe and politically the eastern Roman Empire was much more powerful....the franks lived under pre-christian roman law, and pagan Rome required consent of both parties for marriage long before christianity came on the scene....

    I seriously doubt you're aware of the marriage customs of virtually every western civilization prior to christianity as you weren't even aware of the pagan roman practices...


    it doesn't and it was...

    you over rate your historical knowledge and your interpretations of it...
     

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