What does Critical Race Theory teach?

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  1. 21Bronco

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    These stats have been posted numerous times.
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    https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

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    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
     

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    That's hilarious! You not understanding an argument (i.e. taking it literally) that is so "standard" says so much about you that... you wouldn't even believe...
     
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    Education is a principal target of CRT.

    Stop Gaslighting Parents on Critical Race Theory

    Max Eden, RealClearPolicy

    ". . . The critical race theory (CRT) movement is a collection of activists and scholars interested in studying and transforming the relationship among race, racism, and power. The movement considers many of the same issues that conventional civil rights and ethnic studies discourses take up, but places them in a broader perspective that includes economics, history, context, group- and self-interest, and even feelings and the unconscious. Unlike traditional civil rights, which embraces incrementalism and step-by-step progress, critical race theory questions the very foundations of the liberal order, including equality theory, legal reasoning, Enlightenment rationalism, and neutral principles of constitutional law.

    Although CRT began as a movement in the law, it has rapidly spread beyond that discipline. Today, many in the field of education consider themselves critical race theorists who use CRT’s ideas to understand issues of school discipline and hierarchy, tracking, controversies over curriculum and history, and IQ and achievement testing. Political scientists ponder voting strategies coined by critical race theorists. Ethnic studies courses often include a unit on critical race theory, and American studies departments teach material on critical white students developed by CRT writers. Unlike some academic disciplines, critical race theory contains an activist dimension. It not only tries to understand our social situation, but to change it. (Emphases added.) . . . "
     
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    No need to read anymore of this joke thread.
     
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    Perhaps what is more surprising is the willingness of folks on the left who have to invent a crisis to justify their tyranny. This isn't any different. Stoking fear to consume folks with a desire to change is perhaps one of the most egregious examples of evil in our history.
     
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    You seem to be wiling to actively ignore facts in your quest. When you ignore the inputs into a dynamic, it is typical that folks like you will fail to notice that the cause of the facts you abhor were your own fault to begin with. And it's an active component in the process for your desire to instill tyranny on the public. Again why? To distract from the massive failure of your other attempts?

    Think about the bar association for a minute. Don't you suppose they have a vested financial interest in the chaos they advocate for? I bet it just never occurred to you to be critical of them, did it.
     
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    It's the underlying mentality of the left these days. That and Malthus. They just can't let these two losers go.
     
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    Oh please. Tebow's not playing has nothing to do with his color or ability.
     
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    So you respond without reading the post first? That says a lot about you. Nothing good, I'm afraid. It just denotes sloppiness. But once you read the WHOLE post you surely noticed the explanation was at the end of my post.

    And if you feel some "urge" to say that I didn't address something, READ this post in its entirety before you make dumb accusations again.

    WTF? Did you not READ my response? I was AGREEING with you!

    God! Your first post had good points. I explained why I said what I said. But now you seem to have gone off the rocker for no reason.

    Look... if you want to dispute the facts, dispute the facts! That's what this thread is for. And that's exactly the reason why I provided references. To make it easier for you to dispute them. If you think they're disputable, of course. At this point I don't know if you do or you don't. You went both ways in a single paragraph. And didn't contribute anything either way.

    I couldn't care less what creationists believe, BTW. I only deal with facts and science. Religious beliefs are none of my concern or interest. There is a Forum for Religion, if you want to discuss that.

    Looks like you thought that when I said that it's impossible to explain the Theory of Evolution or Quantum Theory to anybody who denies the facts behind them, I was referring to you. No! Sorry to burst your bubble, but this thread is NOT about you!

    As I said, the intention of this thread is not to explain CRT in any more depth than what I wrote in my previous response to you. Because the large majority of right wingers here (again: this thread is NOT about you), by far, can't even grasp the facts. That's why this is about the facts!

    Yes it can! Whether it actually is or not is what could be disputed. The OP gives a series of facts. You could interpret those facts several ways. One, for example, is that each individual cop, judge, or agent involved is individually a racist. CRT holds that that is NOT the case, and interprets it differently. Some may or may not be due to that. But the underlying problem is not individual prejudice. It's in the system. The SYSTEM expects cops to treat black people differently. Because they are taught that black people commit more crimes, that they are more likely to resist arrest, ... and many other things for which the OP shows some of the evidence available that this is not so. CRT also holds other things that are beyond the scope of this thread. Such as the fact that most black people are in a cycle of poverty that the system makes particularly difficult to break (subject for a different thread). It explains how these situations came to be, how they evolved and proposes ways to solve them... So, for example, CRT holds that Dereck Chauvin might not have been a racist (I don't have enough data to form an opinion either way). But the system implicitly dictates that black people are more "dangerous", that they resist arrest, and that they should be held down with a knee to their neck even after they stop "resisting".

    Now, you can dispute these principles of CRT in the appropriate thread. I'll be happy to comment if you open a thread. I might open one myself later. But THIS one is intended to show FACTS that most right-wingers are not aware of. And again: this thread is not about YOU

    What the hell are you talking about? You just QUOTED my explanation. Did you not read it? You obviously did, because you even commented on it.

    Here... I'll copy-paste my explanation again.

    ME (above): "For now I'll summarize by saying that CRT says that all these observations occur, not necessarily because some people are prejudiced, or because some whites are seeking to oppress black people to exploit them, or.. anything of the kind. They occur because the system is intrinsically racist. Thereby the term "systemic racism"."

    You can agree with it, disagree with it, ... whatever you want. But stop saying I didn't explain it! What is true is that this is not what this thread is about. This one, again, is to explain the facts to people who deny the facts. And one more time: this thread is NOT about you!
     
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    First, your "questions" do nothing to answer my question of whites being left out because they are white.
    Second, your questions show you don't understand CRT
    Third, I do ask myself good questions but your questions.......not so good.
     
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    Stoking fear to avoid change is the only thing close to a policy that the right has.
     
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    You QUOTED it. Don't you read what you quote?

    If you don't read your own posts, why should anybody else bother to read them?


    So you just copy-paste an idiotic criticism that, not only are you unable to defend... you haven't even READ!

    Thanks for letting us know so we don't waste our time with you in the future.
     
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    your mind is made up and nothing is going to move it. Period!
     
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    No. You do! Or if not that, at least you just expressed your belief in eugenics. And, worse still, .... you did it without even noticing.
     
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    No, you brought it up. I'm not sure why as I said nothing of the sort. Care to actually explain yourself there?
     
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    12.5 is more than 60.4???

    Your problem may not be about ignoring facts. Looks like your problem is basic math!
     
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    That's the percentage of people in the population, not crimes committed, lol.
    :roflol::roflol:
     
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    I read it too fast, and assumed you were trying to prove what you claim. That's a lesson to me: never assume that you can support anything you claim.

    So looks like you STILL can't post evidence that black people commit 7 times more violent crimes than black people, like the poster you are defending claimed..
     
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    I agree with her. Well spoken and explained from a grounded and realistic perspective. And her guests are also grounded and not insane. Its 26min but this topic can't be discussed in 2 mins.
     
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    only when I replied to your use of the term.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...antichrist&o=date&c[node]=10&c[user][0]=68680
    Fake News. My source never made the claim you attributed to it. You are welcome to key word search it.
    https://reason.com/volokh/2021/06/2...ism-and-you-a-remix-a-partial-list-of-errors/
    You are getting your head handed to you, so you yell and pound the table.

    You claimed that CRT only teaches what is verified by "studies" and "analysis". On pg 162 describing Malcom X and the Nation of Islam to middle and high schoolers, "The book's description of NOI's philosophy makes it sound rather benign, ignoring both the overtly racist and crazy elements of it. Here is what NOI actually believes (though Malcom himself at the end of his life renounced these beliefs in favor of Orthodox Islam)":
    Can you link to the "studies" or "analysis" that demonstrates that this philosophy from the NOI isn't overtly racist and crazy? Because it clearly is.

    The garbage be poured over the heads of our children, indoctrinating them in this hateful, racist, separatist curriculum is unfit for our Government Classrooms, and that's why the nation is rejecting it. It's filth. I'm somewhat amazed that you are such a passionate advocate of it when it is so clearly, crap.
     
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    Haha, so you misread a graph and it's my fault. Typical.
    I didn't make a claim about the exact magnitude of the disproportionality. The graphs make my point. Nitpick the magnitude all you want, it's still significant.
     
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    I wonder if you could explain why you believe acts of racism are not as responsible for racial divisions as citing the historical record of them.
     
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    CRT does more than teach a historical record.

    More No True CRT Fallacy from the left. Why can't the left just be honest about CRT? Why is that so hard?
     
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