What drives people to ignore the evidence of Christ?

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  1. dairyair

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    One of the reasons, IMO, why people ignore the evidence of christ is exactly the problem with reading, understanding, comprehending, the OT. And then meshing that with science. Not that long ago, most every christian religion thought the earth was 6--10K yrs old, the flood killed everything on earth but those on the ark, etc.
    Given the NT is in the same book as the OT and as we become more educated, we realize the OT is a bunch of stories, not the literal inerrant inspired word of God we were taught. So that puts the NT just as much in question as the OT.
     
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    That's a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing cop-out if I've ever seen one.
     
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    It didn't take 46 years to build the Temple.
     
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    What makes the "testimony" reliable?
     
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    Of course not....that would be silly.


    Think about that for a sec......
     
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    So only certain pieces are not inspired or literal. Who choses?

    So you fit the bible and its meanings to fit what you think/believe based on life experiences. Just like everyone else. One reasons there are literally hundreds of christian sects.
     
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    Not true, Paul said it is wrong to be circumcised as a condition of God's acceptance. Jesus also went to the Jewish temple, but this was before the 'church' was established after the Resurrection.

    You fail to persuade me of this strange theory. No offense.
     
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    Galatians 5:2 "Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all."

    If you get circumcised you cannot be saved. That is what Paul is claiming.

    Or course not. Faith is more important that any amount evidence ever will be to you.
     
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    Just as in courtroom testimony, the burden is your to show why it is unreliable. That has not been done, except by those who a priori reject the supernatural. To dismiss evidence because because someone was a Christian is bigotry, not debate.
     
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    I suppose you're right. If David Copperfield had come out and said he was jesus and performed all those magic tricks, most would say put him in a funny farm. But many would bow down and worship.
     
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    No he is not, he is saying you are wrong if you depend on keeping Jewish law for your salvation. The New Covenant changed things.

    Are you talking about me or you?
     
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    What??? Who claims that they hid his body?

    The first verified claims of his resurrection do not appear until several decades later. What enemies of Christianity?

    It seems you are the one who believes in some sort of conspiracy. It was one of many small and isolated cults. There is no reason to believe anyone would have cared what they claimed, certainly not enough to go digging up corpses that they would have had no ability to locate or verify who it was.
     
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    They are third or fourth-hand testimonies with zero contemporary accounts to support their claims. Therefore, they are unreliable.
     
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    Any other magician could show how they are done, and I don't believe Copperfield fulfilled prophecy. He himself doesn't claim they are miracles.
     
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    It goes back to what Mrconservative said, so they start out with an assumption. And go from there. But most do as life has already biased people in a certain way already.
     
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    Actually they are first and second hand testimonies, both of which are acceptable in court. Some seem to have a vested interest in making unclear what is clear.

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    Theists or atheists?
     
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    Show in that line where he says anything about depending on Jewish law. He says if you get circumcised you can't be saved. It's in black and white.

    I've already shown that my beliefs can and do change based on empirical evidence. You on the other hand have shown a willingness to reject any evidence that contradicts your faith. Hence why you aren't a Muslim.
     
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    And so much of the NT is Pauls writings or copies of it, the religion should be paulistians.
     
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    They are not first or second hand testimonies. None of the Gospels were written by the people in their titles and nothing that Paul supposedly said was written down until after his death.
     
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    Certain skeptics. What do you think happened to His body?

    Cite? It was claimed He rose immediately after the resurrection. What is 'verified' mean?

    The Jewish leadership behind His death.

    Where are those cults today? Because there were false cults it does not logically follow that Christianity is false.

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    We disagree. Do you know more than the early church fathers?
     
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    Why hasn't the grave of Horus been found?

    Time to read up on some world religions, wouldn't you say?
     
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    Rubbish. One uses all senses when making a claim/statement. You do a lab experiment, you don't conclude based on sight alone, or sound alone, or smell alone. You record every little detail to capture everything that occurred.

    Philosophy is nothing more than what one thinks.
     
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    It is a fact that there is evidence linking hominids (how do you define this since we are hominids?) to humans. The fossil record, genetic evidence and biogeography all point to our relation. We can also make inferences from the proof of evolution in other species.
     
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    Yes I do. I have 2,000 years of academic research and archaeological work as well as some of the best translators available in history to rely on.

    They had scattered parchments and faith.
     
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    where is Moses' grave?

    OMG, did he rise from the dead??????????????????

    :)
     
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