What exactly ARE the authorities engaged in, in Israel?

Post 44- we have a women, that lives in Israel today, and who has testified that her daughter personally experienced some v sinister goings on. Why would she lie? Do we not begin from giving her the benefit of the doubt? She seems sincere, at least. And she named so names and places. In another of her presentations, she stated that the worse country in Europe for the state deeming kids 'at risk' in Britain, something like 0.5%. She was using that to prove a point, since she then goes on to state how in Israel it is over 5%, and that one Israeli minister (cannot recall name), wanted to create the legal conditions, to make it nearer to 10%. Make it nearer.

Now, it could be that she is totally lying, I cannot see for what motive or purpose, but yes, that is possible. She could be lying outright. None a single thing she says may be true, and that state of Israel may be innocent of all allegations. Short of contacting her to ask, what might we look for, to at least add some measure of weight to what she is saying?

Well, she is not afraid to show herself. Good sign. Therefore, she cannot pretend to be someone she is not, you can see her, hear her, she gives her real name, so those things alone should buy some 'currency'.

She is not afraid to cite names, places, and examples. Another good sign. The more detail the better, esp in terms of any clinics or state staff.

Disturbingly though, her allegations sound a lot like the admission now made, by their 'health dept' re Ethiopian Jews. It also sounds rather similar to the distubing allegations, re the Yemen Jewish kids. 'Tis hard to believe that all those that have made these allegations, were all lying, surely? That Israel (whose human rights record is a disgrace), were never wrong in anything strange, and that it is all just lies, East to just say that, when you are the one that is being accused, of course. Which is who the accusations are aimed at, the Israel state. It is obvious they are going to trivialise, deny, lie, or minimise any such things.

And their track record for truth telling, it ain't so hot, as well all know.

We know that care homes have often attacted terrible abuses. We know that Gov's, the US for one, have conducted experiments on innocent people of their own (which, I am sure it is just a coincidence and everything, but seem to have begun around the time Israel was created).

We know that it would be beyond easy for Israel to roll out a few 'scientists' today, to cover up for them, right? And we know how easy people are won over by seemingly 'authority figures'.

Put all of that together, and, sure, I think she merits the benefit of the doubt.

Then there is this, going back to the 50's. It looks like old footage, it is in Israel, real victims are going back to the place they were given does of radiation, again, they merit being heard. This seems to be in Hebrew, but there are English subs.

[video=youtube;6fFR5rwQi7M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=6fFR5rwQi7M[/video]

The documentary won the award for "Best Documentary" at the Haifa International Film Festival and was featured as a documentary at the Israel Film Festival in Los Angeles in 2007

It is claimed in the documentary that the X-ray radiation used on the children was thousands of times beyond the maximum recommended dose.

The documentary alleges that 100,000 children were irradiated, and that 6,000 of them died shortly after receiving treatment. Many of the 'ringworm children' later developed cancer, and in 1994 the Knesset passed a law mandating the Israeli government to provide them with compensation.

The treatment regime caused cancer and noncancerous growths (meningiomas) on the brain membrane years later among a portion of the patients. A number of research groups in Israel and the world have followed patients who were irradiated as children, to examine tendencies to develop various cancerous growths. In Israel this study was led by Professor Baruch Modan who published an article in the prestigious medical journal The Lancet in 1974 in which Modan determined irrefutably a causal linkage between irradiation of ringworm patients and the appearance of growths on the head and neck.

In light of Professor Modan's findings, legislation was passed in 1994 in Israel to provide compensation for damage to health resulting from exposure to such ringworm treatment; the law provided compensation for the patient (or their next-of-kin)for those diagnosed with the diseases stipulated in the law and treated for ringworm between January 1, 1946 and December 31, 1960 . The legislation, however, placed the burden of proof on the claimant to submit factual evidence substantiating that they had received treatment – a proviso that generated public criticism.(wik)

 

Okay Jonsa.

Since Scotland and Israel have approx the same sort of population (probably very close, if we left the Arabs there aside, for a sec).

Now.

Do you want to compare human trafficking and enslavement in my country, to that of Israel?

Yes or no?

 

He isn't 'speaking', he's repeating propaganda for cash. A familiar hasbara tactic.

 

Indeed. Most of those that spew out the dumb Israel guff (esp those that may pretend to be Swedish or Canadian, or whatever, yet never speak about their own country), are either Jewish students or Israeli reservists.

They do in on forums. They do it on Wikipedia. They do it on social networking sites. Lies, lies, and more lies. They even developed their own downloadable software, which was originally called 'Megaphone'.

Here; (From 2006).

Israel's newest PR weapon: The Internet Megaphone


The Foreign Ministry itself is now pushing the idea, urging supporters of Israel everywhere to become cyberspace soldiers "in the new battleground for Israel's image." The Megaphone, which was first reported on in The Jerusalem Post when it made its debut in July during the Lebanon war, alerts activists about polls and articles about Israel on the Internet and enables them to express their support or opposition by e-mail. After just four months, it has been downloaded by more than 25,000 people from the Web site called GIYUS (Mobilization) which stands for Give Israel Your Support. Amir Gissin, who heads the Public Affairs Department at the Foreign Ministry, has been working behind the scenes to promote the idea.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=42902

Now. Here is what I also know to be true. With some very basic PC literacy, it is easy for a site owner to establish who has used this tool, or any like it. So. Here is what I believe. I believe that if anyone, anywhere, is using an app like this, they should be purged from the given site. It is not honest.

 

All those so called 'Nazi science' experiments that you were once told of.

It was the chosenites that did them, and they have never stopped.



Nes Siyyona: Where Jews Test Chemical and Biological Weapons on Non-Jews

The Other Side of Deception by Victor Ostrovsky, jew, ex-Mossadist, (HarperCollins, 1994), pp. 240-1:

That was where I would come in as a military police officer; my job was to take the prisoners to a holding facility in Nes Siyyona, a small town south of Tel Aviv. I'd always assumed that it was an interrogation facility for the Shaback. We all knew that a prisoner brought there would probably never get out alive, but the brainwashing we'd gone through in our short lifetimes had convinced us it was them or us; there was no gray area.

It was Uri who enlightened me regarding the Nes Siyyona facility. It was, he said, an ABC warfare laboratory -- ABC standing for atomic, bacteriological, and chemical. It was where our top epidemiological scientists were developing various doomsday machines. Because we were so vulnerable and would not have a second chance should there be an all-out war in which this type of weapon would be needed, there was no room for error. The Palestinian infiltrators came in handy in this regard. As human guinea pigs, they could make sure the weapons the scientists were developing worked properly and could verify how fast they worked and make them even more efficient. What scares me today, looking back at that revelation, is not the fact that it was taking plac but rather the calmness and understanding with which I accepted it.

Years later, I met Uri again. This time he was in the Mossad, a veteran katsa in the AI department, and I was a rookie. He had come back from an assignment in South Africa. I was then a temporary desk man in the Dardasim department in liaison, helping him prepare for a large shipment of medication to South Africa to accompany several Israeli doctors who were headed for some humanitarian work in Soweto, a black township outside Johannesburg. The doctors were to assist in treating patients at an outpatient clinic for the Baragwanath hospital in Soweto, a few blocks away from the houses of Winnie Mandela and Bishop Desmond Tutu. The hospital and the clinic were supported by a hospital in Baltimore, which served as a cut-out for the Mossad. Uri was on a cooling-off period from the United States.

"What is the Mossad doing giving humanitarian assistance to blacks in Soweto?" I remember asking him. There was no logic to it; no short-term political gain (which was the way the Mossad operated) or any visible monetary advantage.

"Do you remember Nes Siyyona?" His question sent shivers up my spine. I nodded.

"This is very much the same. We're testing both new infectious diseases and new medication that can't be tested on humans in Israel, for several of the Israeli medicine manufacturers. This will tell them whether they're on the right track, saving them millions in research."

 

Bollocks to both of you. you have no idea what you are talking about I'm not being paid as I'm sure many others ain't either. Move on nothing to see here

 

Sorry, but the JDL are a terrorist group, I do not have a dialogue with those belonging to such groups.

 

I have read some articles written by the JDL.
Did they copy their stuff from Hammas ??
It's exactly Copy/paste .

 

I liked that part:

You know what "Dardasim" means in Hebrew? its a unique name the Hebrew academy gave the TV show "smurfs"


Someone is pulling your leg Jack, thanks for the laughts you make this forum worthwhile

 

Good for you.

I don't break bread with Jewish terrorists though.

 

So now you know more than Victor Ostrovsky?

No offence you to personally, but the outside image the rest of the World has, is that you are a state of habitual liars and deceivers.

From time to time, one decent person slips through the net. Like the brave truth teller, that took his life in his hands, to tell the World about your nukes, which you had also been LYING about for years.

 

who the (*)(*)(*)(*) is victor???

some ******** that found out he had a Jewish grandma and decided to make money from it?

oh wait he wrote a BOOK, I'm immpressed....

Let's hope he won't send the Barbie squad on me....

 

Would you like to see him dead, Gilos?

Attempts have been made.

That is the usual thing Israel do, assasinate those they do not like, right?

Or mass murder them.

Or experiment on them.

 

You did not hear the latest news , only today more than 70 people were killed in Arab countries due to Violence acts !!
You can curse all day while your people ( sorry, the people whom you are so proud of ) kill each other - That is terror !

 

And how many were killed in the USA?

 

The only killing attempts were on Salman Rushdie, the great muslim Iranian writer.

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In car accidents, i believe 20 or so ..

 

Start a thread on it.

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No.

The Talmudic Murder Squad did not try to kill him.

 

What about the number killed by cowboy nutters with their bang-bangs? - and the US is not even under colonial occupation. Come ON!

 

30 times more likely in the US, to be killed by lightening, that an act of terrorism.

Most acts of terrorism there, are done by Israeli's. It was an Israeli that sent out the anthrax, or at least one of the tribe. It was a company called Isratex that tried to murder 800,000 American troops.

They dress and have even learned how to mimic Arabs. They have often used Jews from Iraq and Egypt, as they look more the part.