What exactly ARE the authorities engaged in, in Israel?

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  1. Abu Sina

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    zionist terrorists are not interested in facts

    you are wasting your time
     
  2. Jack Napier

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    Yes, but why bother with details, facts, and truth, when you can trot out the same Hasbra LIES?


    The Geneva Convention




    It is widely accepted that under international law, the Jewish settlements in the territories occupied by Israel in 1967 are illegal.

    Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the protection of civilian persons in time of war states: "The occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own population into the territories it occupies."

    Within the international community the overwhelming view is that Article 49 is applicable to the occupation of the West Bank including East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights.

    Almost the entire international community, including allies of Israel, have referred to the situation in these territories as occupation.

    The position that the 4th Geneva Convention does apply to the West Bank, Gaza and Golan Heights is supported by the International Committee of the Red Cross, UN bodies, and the International Court of Justice.

    Israel is a party to the Geneva Conventions, and bound by its obligations.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1682640.stm

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    Most Jews do. To protect themselves.
     
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    According to the United States, the Government of Israel does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking.

    Though the government prepared some indictments for forced labor, it did not criminally prosecute or convict any employer or recruitment agent for labor trafficking.

    The government has not instituted a public awareness campaign targeting citizens traveling to known child sex tourism destinations abroad. The Government of Israel has not ratified the 2000 Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, especially Women and Children.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Israel

    Filth manifest.
     
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    Even if Jim is another troll, which I really think he is, it's important for those non-registered members to hear the truth.
     
  5. Jack Napier

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    Perhaps.

    But even away from PF, I find it merely burns them, like holy water on a 'vampire'.
     
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    <<<edited off topic>>>

    Missing Children

    The issue of the missing Yemenite and other Jewish children is well-known in Israel, but surprisingly, it is virtually unknown abroad. In the years 1948-1954 thousands of Jewish children were taken, sometimes forcibly, from their biological parents while in hospitals or child-care homes.

    These children were taken to institutes and kibbutzim, and many were given out to adoption. The adopting parents not only changed the childrens names, but also their I.D. numbers, so they would not be able to be traced. These activities were carried out by doctors, nurses, social workers and other members of the Israeli establishment at that time.

    Their parents however were told that the children had died. In most cases, when the parents asked about the cause of death or requested a death certificate, or other documentation confirming the death of their children, they were ignored and their requests went unanswered. They never saw a body. In most cases, not even a burial spot. In a few cases, however, graves were shown to the families. Some of those graves, later on, were dug up by parents who did not believe that their beloved, healthy child truly died overnight. The graves were found empty.


    Some say that people in positions of power at the time that the State of Israel was established profited from the abduction and sale of children from poor immigrant families. Others claim they wanted to deny those children the education that their religiously observant parents would provide them, and sent them to secular kibbutzim and institutions to get a "modern" secular Israeli education.

    These children were not only Jews from Yemen, but also from other middle eastern and european countries. The number of kidnapped children has been told to be around 2,400 by the official investigating committees. Some people estimate the number to be as high as 10,000 missing children.

    Rabbi Uzi Meshulam gathered the names of 4,500 children. The information he collected over the years was confiscated by the government and he, together with some of his students, were sent to prison because of their activities. A high ranking Labor party official said that if this information had become public, it would mean the end of the Israeli establishment as we know it. After several years, Rabbi Meshulam was released from jail because of health problems, but with the condition that he and his students would not continue their investigation into the missing children affair.

    http://www.ahavat-israel.com/protest/missing.php


    Some 50,000 Jews came to Israel from Yemen in the 1950s and many of them and their families believe passionately that thousands of their children were abducted by the authorities of the day. They accuse them of allowing Jewish families from Europe to adopt children, whose parents were then told they were dead.

    Most controversially, an investigation by Israel's commercial television station says that medical experiments were carried out on Yemenite children. Dr Ya'akov Rotamm, director of a children's hospital, is reported to have said that doctors injected healthy children in order to evaluate the level of phosphorus in their spinal fluid.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-seeks-lost-children-of-yemen-exodus-1318037.html
     
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    Former United States Senator Daniel Inouye, former President Pro Tempore of the US Senate, Awarded Medal of Honor, Purple Heart, Distinguished Service Cross, Bronze Star...
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No name of report, organization that produced it, no name of person offering "evidence", no actual evidence presented, and a last jab at linking jews to nazis.

    And you are trying to foist this nonsense off as Latest world news?

    According to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, children who lack access to the following rights are considered &#8220;at risk&#8221;:

    &#8226;Food
    &#8226;Love and Security
    &#8226;Survival and Development
    &#8226;Parental Care
    &#8226;A Decent Place to Live
    &#8226;Health and Health Services
    &#8226;Protection From Abuse
    &#8226;Education
    &#8226;Rest and Leisure

    the entire premise is more nationalist jew hating propaganda. Why do you want to discuss make believe?

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100200874/how-true-is-it-that-israel-deceitfully-gave-ethiopian-jews-birth-control-injections/

    But how true is it that Israel "forced" or "coerced" Ethiopian Jews into taking birth control, without even telling them it was birth control? An interesting piece in Haaretz says it isn't very true, and "the more [this] story is repeated, the more warped and distorted it becomes". Haaretz says it is certainly the case, as revealed in an Israeli TV documentary in December, that Israel's immigration authorities are guilty of "insensitivity" and "cultural condescension" towards Ethiopian Jews, and perhaps a "certain level of racism". The article says these African Jews were indeed given Depo-Provera, a birth-control injection that lasts for three months, both in Addis Ababa, as they waited to go to Israel, and also in the absorption centres they first stayed in upon arrival in Israel. But it is not the case &#8211; or it certainly has not been proven by anyone &#8211; that they were given these injections deceitfully, without their consent, being misled into believing they were just inoculations.

    Haaretz says the Ethiopian women were "coaxed" or "strongly convinced" to have the Depo-Provera shot, not forced. The idea that they were given it without their knowledge springs from the testimony of a few women who simply said "they weren't aware the shots were birth control"; that could be down to these individual women's lack of understanding or confusion, says Haaretz, since "the vast majority of the Ethiopian women who received Depo-Provera were aware it was birth control and received it willingly".




    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/01/29/Birth-control-shots-to-end-for-Ethiopians/UPI-83351359481777/

    Health Ministry director-general Ron Gamzu told the clinics in a letter "not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment."

    Not quite what the hyperbolic story.
     
  9. Jack Napier

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    Sorry, but when they use terms like "coaxed" and "strongly convinced", they use it in the same manner they use 'defence'.

    Not honestly.
     
  10. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet another propaganda slander piece packed with mis-information, innuendo and rumour and exactly ZERO evidence.

    I guess these inquiries aren't enough to debunk a good viscious rumour.

    Inquiry committeesSince the 1960s the Yemenite children affair has repeatedly been the subject of public debate every few years. As a result, through the years three formal inquiry committees and one public inquiry committee were established to investigate the matter and to expose the truth on this issue.

    [edit] The Bahlul-Minkowski Committee and the Public CommitteeIn 1967 the Bahlul-Minkowski Committee was established[7] and it examined 342 cases of disappearances. The committee determined that in 316 of these cases the children died for certain, and that in two instances the children were adopted, while for the other cases the committee did not manage to reach a definite conclusion.

    The committee, which was established by Ministers of Justice and the Police, worked with a public committee called "The public commission to Discover the Missing Yemenite Children" (&#1493;&#1506;&#1491;&#1492; &#1510;&#1497;&#1489;&#1493;&#1512;&#1497;&#1514; &#1500;&#1490;&#1497;&#1500;&#1493;&#1497; &#1497;&#1500;&#1491;&#1497; &#1514;&#1497;&#1502;&#1503; &#1492;&#1504;&#1506;&#1491;&#1512;&#1497;&#1501;) which was established especially for this purpose. The public commission included psychologists, rabbis and heads of municipalities.

    The public commission published its conclusions in 1986 and in part relied on the research of Dov Levitan of the Bar-Ilan University whom raised allegations of deficiencies of The Bahlul-Minkowski Committee. These claims included an alleged personal bias.

    [edit] Shalgi committee Following the public interest in the conclusions of the former commissions, the Israeli government led by Yitzhak Shamir established in 1988 a Clarifying Commission headed by Justice Dr. Moshe Shalgi.[7] This committee received new evidence on 301 children, and determined that in 65 of these cases their fate was unknown. It determined that in all the other cases the children did die.

    [edit] State Commission of InquiryIn 1995, immediately after publication of the Shalgi committee's conclusions, and following a public uproar, a State Commission of Inquiry was established.[7] The committee examined more than 800 cases, and its conclusions were published in 2001: The committee did not manage to reach absolute conclusions in 56 of these cases. The committee determined with certainty however that in 733 cases the children actually died.[


    You just keep posting stuff that you know are lies and bull crap.

    Do you base your opinion of jews and zionists and israelis on the basis of the endless jew hating lies, rumours and propaganda you post here? do you actually believe them? or are you merely following the plan?
     
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    Jonsa.

    How can you possibly, with a straight face, and a clear mind, work so hard to minimise the loss, suffering, or harm, of anyone, anywhere, at any time, that is not a Zionist Jew?

    How and why do you do that? Israel admitted to injecting human beings with a supposed birth control method, without the knowledge of the people, who were told it was 'vaccination'.

    That is DISGUSTING.

    And what do you do? You minimise it, and use terms like "coaxed" and "strongly convinced...:roll:

    The thing with those kids is well known, and what do you do? Dismiss and minimise all of it, and start your usual apologetic defence of evil.
     
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  14. Jonsa

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    No I work with a straight face and clear mind to ensure that the misinformation, lies, distortions, slanders, malicious opinions, revisions of history and stupid hateful stereotypes are confronted. (I don't work hard at it I have fun at it)

    Not a supposed contraceptive, an actual contraceptive.
    It is alleged there was no notification or discussion, but no real proof.
    It was alleged they were told it was a vaccine. Like a vaccine so you won't get pregnant.
    Apparently some of the Ethopian immigrants were illiterate peasants.. Explaining the wonders of modern contraception to an ingnorant and illiterate person is'nt a walk in the park.
    Naturally while waiting entry and then waiting in the resettlement camp the absolute best thing in the world would be to become pregnant.

    There term "coaxed" and "strongly convinced" came from the haaretz article as quoted by the independent. I for one understand the language and coaxed and strongly convinced are not the same as co-erced. There is any amount of jurisprudence available to confirm the difference.


    Yes the missing children "affair" is well known. Four inquiries latter, the vast majority of individual cases were actually deaths and many were inconclusive. All four inquiries concluded there was no organized kidnapping of Yemeni children.

    That you accept these exaggerations and distortions is your perogative. If you wish to use lies, inaccurate data points, pseudo-scientific amateur analysis, and personal opinion as evidence etc for the basis for your jew hatred - fill your boots.

    I prefer the facts.
     
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    So. Someone from Ethiopia is ingorant(sic), are they? I see. Best just to tell them nothing, and dupe them, right?
     
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    Please tell me that all four(four huh?), were obviously carried out by an independent body, and not by the Gov, right? They did not investigate themselves, did they? What is the vast majority? 60%? 75%? 99%? How much? And do you not care about that other % then? So, a certain % is okay?
     
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    No, I was referring to the observation that many of these women were illiterate.
    If you are illiterate, you are ignorant by definition.

    really meaty response.
     
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    Given the time and the times, a lack of records is not surprising. Given the subject matter, complaints by parents is also not surprising.

    Given that the enquiries FAILED to find a single instance of nefarious dealings, and that only a small percentage were inconclusive and given the laws of statistical analysis the conclusions of these enquiries should be and is considered valid.
     
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    Now. Let us move on. Hold the thought about people, actual human beings, being injected without knowing what or why it was they were being injected for, although someone used the term 'vaccination'. I would never describe taking a birth control method as a 'vaccination', it is not common parlance to use it in that manner, but of course, there is no way you could or would be able to explain all the many benefits, to some 'ingorant' blacks, right? I mean, best to bash on, and just do whatever, right? No way would they understand, would they, and no way should any energy be spent in trying to explain.

    After all, it is not like the Israeli Gov cannot be trusted when it comes to matters relating to human rights, As all know, they work day and night, and all with a view to respecting human rights and dignity.

    So there is certainly nothing to worry about entrusting your actual health to them, of course, is there?

    The reason why Israel have refused to attend the every 4yrs human rights review? Why, no use them going, when we all KNOW that no one can hold a candle to them, when it comes to human rights. We ALL know that.

    The reason why Israel have refused to adopt the bare min criterea, as set out by those that want to put greater safeguards in place, to protect against human trafficking? They do not need to. As we all know, this is not a problem there, so, once again, no use them wasting time over something they would never do.

    Here is a women who has lived there 30yrs. I do not like her, but it is not about that. What it is about is hearing something, from someone there, who is not working in Gov, who can be seen, and that can be heard.

    **

    From uploader;

    Uploaded on 21 Sep 2009


    'The name says it all.

    The women who were present in the ad hoc "committee" that I describe in the video were:

    Rachel Daudi Social Worker

    Salit (or Sarit?) Shachar Okhman some kind of a supervisor of nurseries and kindergartens

    Chana Zafrani Nurse, Well Baby Clinic in Rosh Pina, Israel'


    [video=youtube;T6JRNewjrFk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6JRNewjrFk&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

    [video=youtube;1yuavXoUliY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=1yuavXoUliY[/video]
     
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    What is a small percentage (sic)?

    1%? 5%? 15%? More? Less?

    Who carried out the four investigations you speak of?
     
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    To be honest I'm so (*)(*)(*)(*) sick of hearing about Israel. We get it, they do evil (*)(*)(*)(*).

    I'm also massively sick of the forum censoring every second word I say.
     
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    I can't comment on what you have censored.

    In terms of all else, of course, it is not a newspaper, one can write a thread of their own, on their own topic.

    Just a thought..:thumbsup:
     
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    (*)(*)(*)(*) that, (*)(*)(*)(*)ing many (*)(*)(*)(*)ty words (*)(*)(*)(*)ing give
    (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s enough (*)(*)(*)(*) to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about.

    No (*)(*)(*)(*), why (*)(*)(*)(*) about (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about (*)(*)(*)(*), visiting (*)(*)(*)(*)holes about (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s from (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Israel,
    Go(*)(*)(*)(*)it?

    They're (*)(*)(*)(*)ing corrupt (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) lying (*)(*)(*)(*)ers right? (*)(*)(*)(*) those (*)(*)(*)(*)s!
     
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    Haha, yeah all I didn't say anything particularly bad. Would make it into PG rated cartoons.
     
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    I posted links to the results of the investigations. It states clearly in that post who launched the investigations, who participated and the results.

    A small % is relative to the context, subject and measurement criteria. But you knew that already.

    In a case like this, where there is allegedly thousands of cases with a couple of thousand cases investigated and with the results as posted, it is pretty conclusive that the story is bogus.

    Is it possible that a few children were adopted out? Of course. Was it the dastardly, heartless, disgusting plot suggested in the material you posted? Nope. Considering the total lack of evidence, but the wonderful salaciousness of the story, I am not surprised you would attempt to defend what is clear anti-jew propaganda.
     

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