What exactly ARE the authorities engaged in, in Israel?

Israel is not exactly the most open of countries, when it comes to extracting information from them, esp that which concerns anything to do with their very very dark side. However, with all that said, I am very suspicous about some of the goings on there, those that we do not commonly get to hear of. I am esp taking about their 'Health Ministry', and affiliated bodies.

I have managed to find out some extremely disturbing testimony, which is ON TOP of, what this story goes into here. I will present that testimony later in the thread, but you will be happy to know that not only can you test the authenticity of the testimony, but you can even probably ask them directly. They are Jewish. And she knows Israel, and she knows about this matter. For instance (and I would have to double check the exact %'s), but she asserts that the Health Ministry deem an unusually high number of children as being 'at risk', in Israel. To give a comparison, she said Britain was the highest % in Europe, and they came in at something like 0.5%. She cited Israel as being over 5%.

So, if she is telling the 'facts on the ground' truth, and not some guff spewed out by those with a vested interest, what does that tell us? It tells us that Israeli's appear to have more kids deemed at risk, then the highest country for that, in Europe - Britain. Now. Not only would this be stunning on it's own, but it is made all the more so, by her key point. She is not saying that this is because there are an exceptionally high number of dangerous parents, in Israel. That may seem the logical conclusion, based on a cold stat, but that is not what she is saying at all, and it is not what I am suggesting, at all. Her allegation is that the system has been set up that way there, so as to give the authorities the rights to remove a child(or more than one), almost in an arbitary manner, although she said that they (I quote) 'tend to target the real Jews' (unquote). She did not make clear who she meant by that.

She stated that many of the state care homes (all?), in Israel, are now privately owned. She has cited examples of abuses. Some of the implications as to what has and is happening to many of these kids, sounded like something that could be taken write out of a book that Jews have written about alleged incidents involving Nazi's.

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Israel has admitted for the first time that it has been giving Ethiopian Jewish immigrants birth-control injections, often without their knowledge or consent.


The government had previously denied the practice but the Israeli Health Ministry’s director-general has now ordered gynaecologists to stop administering the drugs. According a report in Haaretz, suspicions were first raised by an investigative journalist, Gal Gabbay, who interviewed more than 30 women from Ethiopia in an attempt to discover why birth rates in the community had fallen dramatically.

One of the Ethiopian women who was interviewed is quoted as saying: “They [medical staff] told us they are inoculations. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.” It is alleged that some of the women were forced or coerced to take the drug while in transit camps in Ethiopia.

The drug in question is thought to be Depo-Provera, which is injected every three months and is considered to be a highly effective, long-lasting contraceptive.

Nearly 100,000 Ethiopian Jews have moved to Israel under the Law of Return since the 1980s, but their Jewishness has been questioned by some rabbis. Last year, the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who also holds the health portfolio, warned that illegal immigrants from Africa “threaten our existence as a Jewish and democratic state”.

Haaretz published an extract from a letter sent by the Ministry of Health to units administering the drug. Doctors were told “not to renew prescriptions for Depo Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment”.

Sharona Eliahu Chai, a lawyer for the Association of Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI), said: “Findings from investigations into the use of Depo Provera are extremely worrisome, raising concerns of harmful health policies with racist implications in violation of medical ethics. The Ministry of Health’s director-general was right to act quickly and put forth new guidelines.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...opian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

 

Oh...what a surprise...

Israel boycotts UN forum, first state in history to ignore human rights review.

Israel has boycotted the UN human rights forum over fears of scrutiny of its treatment of residents of the occupied territories. Israel is now the first state in history to win a deferment of the periodical review of its human rights record.

Tel Aviv has refused to send a delegation on Tuesday to the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva for the Universal Periodic Review procedure where UN member states have their human rights record evaluated every four years.

Israel’s cooperation with the council stopped last March after the UN set up a committee to inspect the effects of the Israeli settlements on Palestinians.

Israel which earlier accused the United Nations of anti-Israel bias reiterated its stance, recalling that the council has passed more resolutions against Israel than all other countries combined.

“After a series of votes and statements and incidents we have decided to suspend our working relations with that body,” Yigal Palmor, Israeli foreign ministry spokesman, told the Financial Times. “I can confirm that there is no change in that policy.”


“There have been more resolutions condemning Israel than the rest of the world put together,” an Israeli government official said on Tuesday. “It’s not a fair game – it’s not even a game.”


Following the Israeli decision, the council has decided to postpone its review until no later than November.

The Council president has also called on the body to adopt a draft response to an unprecedented move by Israel.

Egypt’s representative meanwhile has warned that a “soft” approach would create a dangerous precedent and leave “a wide-open door for more cases of non-cooperation,” the AFP quoted.

Activist groups lash out against Israel’s disregard for international law.

“By not participating in its own review, Israel is setting a dangerous precedent,” Eilis Ni Chaithnia, an advocacy officer with al-Haq, a human rights organisation based in Ramallah has told the FT. “This is the first time any country has made a determined effort not to attend.”


Others thought that the council’s decision to delay gives Tel Aviv the opportunity to make amends. Eight Israeli human rights organizations issued a statement saying, “Israel now has a golden opportunity to reverse its decision not to participate,” adding "it is legitimate for Israel to express criticism of the work of the Council and its recommendations, but Israel should do so through engagement with the Universal Periodic Review, as it has done in previous sessions," JTA quotes.

The investigation into Israel’s Human Rights record began in 2007, but last year the UN started to pay particular attention to Israel’s activities in the West Bank.

The probe at the time prompted an angry response from the country’s leader.


“This is a hypocritical council with an automatic majority against Israel,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said.

Senior Israeli officials announced last month that Israel does not intend to cancel plans to accelerate settlement construction.


Netanyahu himself said in an interview with Israeli Channel 2 last month that the disputed area “is not occupied territory” and that he “does not care” what the UN thinks about it.

Around 500,000 Israelis and 2.4 million Palestinians live in the West Bank and in East Jerusalem, areas that, along with Gaza, the Palestinians want for a future state.

The United Nations regards all Israeli settlements in the West Bank as illegal. Tel Aviv last attended the human rights review in 2008. Israel is not a member of the Council, which is comprised of 47 UN member states.

http://rt.com/news/israel-human-rights-boycott-032/

 

Israel is more of a democracy than the US.

Washington Post: Israel's Example

 

Murder, ethnic cleansing, human rights abuses to long to list, occupation, organ stealing, drug running, theft, Eugenics, WMD manufacturing, burning mosques and churches, assassinations with MOSSAD assassination squads running lose all over the world, violation of sovereign nations air space, child killings and child maimings..............................

all the things Hitler became famous for and will go down in history books as repeating

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The USA does not have democracy

 

At least this isn't as bad as the forced sterilizations of the past. (elsewhere than Israel)

Of course that's not to say it isn't bad. Nobody should ever lie about what it is they are injecting into someone, that alone is heinous and appalling.

 

I dont get it...


You started with something about kids being "at risk", at risk of what ? over 5% to what?

Dangerous parents in what way? abusive? addicts? voilent? please elaborate

Then swiftly to Etheopeans given injections, true or not what does it have to do with the above?, evidence is required in both cases BTW, so far your post doesnt meet the requirments of this forum as im sure you know...what's the "latest world news" here?

Then to compare the Ethiopeans to the Sudanease illigal immigrants??? how can you compare the two? one are legal immigrants the state made alot of effort and expense to ship and fly to Israel (They are Jews, the legal head rabi of Israel in the gov approved them as such so what wierd rabbi you found to say otherwise is not important) and the other group crossed the border illigally, I understood in Egypt they are gunned down.

And ofc the 2nd post that was supposed to give some evidence is about Israel refusing Human rights.....


I dont understand what you are trying to say and what evidance you got to prove a point that im still trying to find.....can you help me please?

 

You have to wonder about the constant unfounded claims of ethnic cleansing when the biggest problem facing them is obesity. How can the Arab population still increase several times over and claims be made of ethnic cleansing, too many pies in their ovens.

 

for the record the authorities, like those world wide are more concerned with the health and well being of their citizens.

 

Jolly good. Go start a thread on that.

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Nothing to do with the topic raised.

Start a thread on your matters.

 

As you are aware, I am not religous, nor do I believe in any gods, demons, or angels, in the supernatual sense. However, and do remember that I am going back to here before the time that Israel were formed, I do believe that if a given people were to represent the very essence of 'Satan' and 'evil', liars and proud of it, murderers and rejoice in it, and insatiable greed, pertaining to be one thing, when they are the other, presenting themselves under false names, creators of weapons of mass destruction, it would be the 'Jews'. That is not to say such things cannot exist in others. It does. But the difference is that this is all of what they are, as a group. This is what they are entirely defined by.

People can bleat on about anti semitism if they wish, and they will be bleating about that as millions more people die, in this world, to satisfy their twisted craving for suffering and death.

In my adult life time alone, they have, directly or via their proxy's, been accountable, as a 'people' (for they are always telling every non Jew this is what they are), for more lies, greed, murder, and vice, than any other group of people, anywhere. Esp when you do the ratio to their collective number of adults. If there are say 16million worldwide, let us say that around half are adults with full understanding, and not a child. So that is 8millon adults, wordwide. Now, if you then can understand the sheer scale and depths of all possible depravity that is known, and you factor in the 8million adults, you soon see, by MILES, that it cannot be just a few bad apples, with approx the same % of those that engage in vice, as non Jews, be they Christian, or Muslim, or whatever. It is so overly represented among them, given their small number, and so often, as in generation to generation, that it can only be explained by starting from the point that this is what they are, this is who they are, this is their essence, and not a few bad apples.

Were it a few bad apples among them, then they simply would not have been able to spread such evil, so globally, in this way, and for this long. If it were a few bad apples, then so small and tight is their cult/race/religion, that they would have weeded them out, by now.

If it were a tiny few, then they rest would have spoken out against them, long before now. They would have stopped them. If it were a few, they would have died out, and the pattern would not be repeated, over, and over, and over.

And then last night, as demonstrated on another thread, we have the exposure of the head Rabbi of a large community of Jews actually telling abused kids, not to tell on their abuser. Any who came forward or said they would, be be totally ostracised, threats, spat on, told to leave the local Synagogue. Not by a few bad apples. By the community. This was all filmed, and is now a matter of fact.

I was disgusted but not shocked. I was well aware of the same thing going on, yet again not by a few bad apples, in NYC.

Indeed, the programme cut to go to NYC, and the jaw of the person doing the programme was on the ground. A massive turn out of Jews, and half a million raised in a few phone calls, to support a rapist Rabbi, who had been charged on 59 counts of sexual abuse. They made a big public show of it as well, and sorry, this is NOT normal, as the anchor said last night 'No other group of people would do that, for a suspected child rapist, then brag about it'. Thankfully, there are still some honest prosecutors in the US, and this vermin was given 104yrs in prison.

 

What do you mean true or NOT?

What do you mean evidence?

Your own 'Health Ministry' admitted it.

Read the story.

They used to deny it.

Then at the weekend, they admitted it.

They lied. Yet again.

'Israel has admitted for the first time that it has been giving Ethiopian Jewish immigrants birth-control injections, often without their knowledge or consent'

 

A link would be nice...

What about the kids at risk. what risk did you mean?

 

Arab-American Dr. Wafa Sultan, Human Rights Activist, Among "Time Magazine's 100 Heroes and Pioneers Whose Power, Talent Or Moral Example Is Transforming Our World"

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1975813_1975847_1976751,00.html.

Israel - The One And The Only Free Democratic Country In The Entire Middle East.

 

Yes. And do not forget, they have been denying this furiously, up until now. They lie all the time, and never stop lying. No matter how many people line up and testify a thing, no matter what you put in front of them, all they do is lie, deny, or make things up. They do it all the time, almost with every single action and word.

This is horrific, and naturally, since it us yet one more thing they have been lying about, what else have they been doing to people there, that has been alleged before, and they have downplayed or lied about, as well? I mean, it is safe to assume that once you can be shown to have lied by policy, more than once, it then casts doubt over all the other denials, that is logical, anyone would apply that logic, since to do so is self presevation.

It is crazy the way we are so fast to believe the most incredible accusations, against almost any other nation, or group of people, be that how the World were once taught to hate Germans, with often false propaganda, how the World has been taught to think that one billion or so Muslims are all prospective terrorists, I could go on, picking out different people, and yet, it strikes me that the ONE people that seem immune to such allegations, are Jews. Even if it is more than an idle allegation.

It is my assertion that Israel have, for many years, been engaged in malgenics, eugenics, and manipulation of their social services, and all agencies pertaining to 'protect kids', so that they have a stready supply of victims, either for the above, or for lord knows what else.

Why is that so impossible to believe, given that we have been so fast to believe similar, about others, who are not Jews?

For instance, some of the pre WW2 propaganda against Germans was just absurd. Much of it later proved to be just lies. But it was fanned out, to stir up hate and demonisation of Germans. The most bizarre stories, that later proved to have no basis in fact. But lest you make solid accusations against Jews, for engaging in eugenics, or unwittingly injecting people with who knows what, oh how we must tread on eggshells, oh how we must automatically start from NOT believing.

Now, aside from all of that, later on I will bring in personal testimony, from not just a Jew, but an Israeli Jew. Personal testimony is precisely what it says, personal testimony. Therefore, I am not able to answer questions for them, or elaborate for them, and it would be wrong for anyone to add or take away from their testimony. However. The person is alive. And they can be asked. Directly.

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Start a thread on that then.

 

The UN ranks Israel among the 17 best countries to live in (out of 170 countries) in the world and with the highest qualities of life and human development, emphasizing political and cultural freedom and equality in education, healthcare, life expectancy and income, ahead of the United Kingdom, Spain, Greece, Italy, Finland, Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg and Austria

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

 

Nobody cares. Go preach your hasbara crap somewhere else.

 

Gilos, read what I am writing.

Read the OP, there IS a link, to the Independent, and in that link your Health Ministry finally admitted to what they had, until that point, denied. Therefore, they lied.

I really do not know what it is you seek, but what more can I give you?

Everything you seek is in the link in my OP.

As to the rest, I will get to that, as I said I would, in the OP. And I have said since. And I will. I did say I would have to double check her quoted %'s again, but I am 99% certain the testimony was that the worse nation in Europe for placing kids on the 'at risk' register, was about 0.5%. And that was apparently Britain. It was further stated that in Israel it is 5%, and that one Israeli HM, even wished to create conditions, so that it would be closer to 10%. That man is named I believe, so later, as I have said, I will put up on personal testimony, and if I were you, I would not be too fast to dismiss it, because...what if it is true?

 

Expect some more of them to join, if the situation in Syria escaltes...

Israeli megaphone download tool, social networking sites, internet forums, that is what they are trained and paid to do.

 

US President Barack Obama...
"The bond between the United States and Israel is unbreakable. It encompasses our national security interests, our strategic interests, but most importantly, the bond of two democracies who share a common set of values."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ster-netanyahu-israel-joint-press-availabilit

 

He has the right to speak just like you do.

 

Jews do not care about the UN.

That is why Israel is the first state EVER, to refuse to attend the human rights review.

That is why Israel have violated more UNSC Res and the Geneva Convention, than all other countries put together.

Israel even refused to take on the full UN supported charter on child protections.

So don't be giving me your UN said...

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What does Obama have to do with the topic? Discuss some aspect of the OP topic, and stop deflecting.

 

No. Correction. SS is right to tell him to stop peddling unrelated crap on this thread. He is right, and I am right, to expect him to address the content in the OP. Sadly, that is the rules on here, and believe it or not, they apparently apply to you lot, as well.

 

Most Americans want the UN out of the country

The UN doesn't reflect human rights. Saudi Arabia, the worst human rights violator in the world, has sat on its human right council.

Israel has violated not one binding UN resolution nor has Israel violated the Geneva Conventions.

 

You used to say jews....I think we made some progress here

 

It's a fact that Israel has violated the most number of UN resolutions.