what gun control do you support?

That's exactly what I've been saying. However, for some reason, whenever I state that, I'm pulling at straws. Amazing that you understand it, but not wyle. At least I know I'm not completely crazy, being libertarian and all.

Not only that, to follow up on your point of 'Isn't it just logical to keep a DO NOT list as opposed to vice versa?', the overhead for such a database would be much smaller as well. Storage & bandwidth for a database of over 250 million citizens versus X amount of criminals & mentally ill folks. No matter how you slice it, there will always be more citizens than criminals & mentally ill folks.

 

Public Safety? Save me some time researching. You wouldn't by chance have stated your opposition to the Boston Bomber not being read his Miranda rights would you? In the name of public safety and all. FWIW if you did we'd be in agreement.
But wouldn't it be odd to chose rights over public safety for an accused murderer but chose public safety over rights for a law abiding citizen? That would indeed be an oddity.

 

I don't know ... Never seen her before ... Must not be anybody important.

As far as the database goes, and as discussed earlier, convicted criminals supported the database as an effective mapping tool for houses to avoid for safety reasons.
The database is simply a bonehead idea, that would just facilitate crime.

 

I think this video sums up how some people on this forum are:

[video=youtube;a3WcuvL737A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3WcuvL737A[/video]

 

Hunting permit??? In this state it's a hunting license the same way it's a fishing license, so tell me, wyl, do you think the state holds classes to make sure people fish right, that they know how to bait a hook, that they know the proper way to cast?? Travel permit??? For citizens in this nation for this nation???? Where did you come up with that screwy idea??? Every thing you just came up with is for nothing more than revenue, period!!! Another idiot in the making!!

 

First, in this state it isn't illegal not to keep a gun in a safe. Most people have them in their closets. Second, the left harps about a gun show loop hole but there isn't one. To sell ones property still isn't against the law although i never sell a weapon. They already have a data base, it's called the FBI. And if our opponents think not and they have committed a felony then they should apply for a CWP and see what happens.

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And tighter groups!!!

 

Which ones are not being enforced??? Do you have a reading problem Johnny??? How about a comprehension problem? I already told you that when the majority of criminals that applied to buy a gun they were NOT prosecuted. Do you understand that out of 10,000 or so only 40 were brought up on charges??? Did that little point slip by you???

Your millions of Americans will have to remain unsatisfied because 10's of millions of us Americans don't want any more gun laws. You, your millions, nor the government don't need to know every weapon that I have. They are all legal to own, I bought them legally, they are legally mine and you and the Government can keep out of my gun safe. I don't care whether that's O.K. with you or not, I will bring the 4 th Amendment into it here.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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YES, at lest 200 rounds per firearm.

 

Even so??? Why wasn't the law upheld??

 

How does the above relate to the topic of gun control? ????

 

I admit the answer is presently beyond 'me'.

 

I don't think you are getting things RIGHT. You are saying things that I'm not going to just accept here, when I've heard other things to the contrary.

If nothing else, it is GOOD this GUN debate is up in front of all. For if what you say is actually true, then ultimately is cannot be ignored.

Now, stop trying to insult me... so that I'll somehow buy your rhetoric. You've said what you think, but I promise you I won't buy it outright. Sorry.

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I'm not seeking any 'utopia'.

Stop imagining/assuming things.

 

Look up whatever you must.

I'm not here to question or protest that.

The law is what it is; I don't write it and don't enforce it... except that I'm charged with enforcing.

2 cents; maybe.

I've been at what I do long enough, to realize that everyone DOES NOT KNOW, because they do not ALL have a NEED TO KNOW. That is, what about the 'bomber(s)' do you REALLY know... and how much of that information is NOT public (due to an ongoing investigation, or other public safety issues)?

I do not like every action I see taken, but I am smart enough to realize that I cannot DO something about everything I don't think is "right". (If I could, the world itself would be VERY different.) We all have limited autonomy. Then again, I honor people's concerns about people's rights (especially when they are denied)... I just know that I cannot always do anything to affect what is going on.

 

We can... but I'm almost CERTAIN that will not the case. And it will probably be COMMERCIAL interests which take that further than you might imagine.

We'll see.

 

LOL!! I don't KNOW 'you'. That is EXACTLY why I do WANT the government to.

 

Think about what was said and how you answered

 

The answer is simple, gun control laws are not enforced therefore they don't work. How in god's name can ANYONE enforce over 24,000 gun laws. The gun dealers are doing their part, the government is letting down on theirs. And you want to turn this same government loose on us with MORE gun laws and expect them to help???

 

When you misquote what I say and then make out that I want EVERYONE to be packing I'm going to insult you for being worse than silly. You have yet to bring anything to the table that will work. Once more, I bring practical police experience and 67 years of life experience to your what?? Emotional rants.

 

The problem was, you refused to give a reasonable answer to what was already said. You answered before you bothered looking it up. Now, have you did any research on the point made???

 

Just FIX the problems and stop talking as though there is nothing that can be done; that mantra the anti-regulation side needs to cease chanting. (I'll never buy that and it just reminds me of why I have to STICK to my own paradigm for now. We already went with the NRA and others who have preached into reality the mess we have; time for something new.

 

Yes, I'll keep those charged-up and ready to go. Emotion is a BIG part of why I'll remember to care about this tedious topic at all. One thing is for sure, I don't plan on being an expert or get a doctorate to explain why I know I'm right; but there are people on my side with all of those credentials making the points that need to be made.

And yeah, the EMOTION STAYS; better than the insipid apathy that permeated this nation before on the topic. Get used to it.

 

So tell me, if the
Government refuses to do their part what can we but hold their feet to the fire. What have you been doing other than pushing for more of what they are not enforcing??? The mess we are in can be placed directly on the Governments shoulders for not enforcing what's already there.

 

So be it. Time for change and there are enough agents for the same that eventually the laws will be different. It is just a matter of time.

 

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=Gove...or.r_qf.&fp=b5ac5f97a036a9a6&biw=1600&bih=900


http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...es-criminal-charges-fraction-gun-denial-case/

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=Gove...or.r_qf.&fp=b5ac5f97a036a9a6&biw=1600&bih=900

http://www.opb.org/news/article/npr-background-check-battle-more-prosecution-or-more-checks/

http://blog.al.com/press-register-commentary/2013/01/prosecuting_gun_felons_would_b.html

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...-check-battle-more-prosecution-or-more-checks

How many do you want to prove the Government isn't doing it's job?????

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True, Johnny, true. It only took 133 years for the women to get the vote. Times do change.

 

We will do what we always have, to try and make the Government better. The will of the people isn't what it was 10 years ago on "guns"; that is obvious.

You will never see me promote INACTION; we've had enough of that. It is why so many have died.

To me, you just said: The American people, weapons manufacturers (MONEY) and certain politicians are all connected to the problem. And I will always tell you that INACTION will never be an option; the status quo will never do again.

 

And that is not THE only problem. That is clear enough. The problem is NOT merely government and that will be shown in due time to those who will not see it.

Is government a part of the problem? yes.

I don't care how long it takes, as long as the culture is headed in a better direction. The old ways aren't enough to really resolve the whole problem. The mental health issues, teaching people better things about conflict resolution and other social aspects are going to be a part of all that it will eventually take.

The problem is so vast, that those opting for the status quo feel that their way makes the most sense; I do not think they can SEE how far, deep and wide the changes have to go into this society to get a handle on all the death/chaos. They just give-in to the way things are (using fact, figures and philosophies they think/believe are the answer). But the answers needed have yet to be fully formulated, and they WILL take time. What HAS indeed changed already, is that significantly fewer Americans believe that we should continue as we have (as many anti-regulation proponents believe). The vast majority of Americans are READY to opt for more significant changes in gun laws (that is proven).