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What Happens When We Stop Believing in God

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  1. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The first step in deprogramming cult followers and superstitious explanations of life is the most difficult. But then you find truth & logic and you wonder why you didn't detox a long time ago.
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Evangelicals told Trump he was "chosen" by God ...​

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    " I shall return to save my precious people. "​
     
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    What part of the question quoted, relates to what you've said?
    Who is a cult follower in this conversation?
     
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  4. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's true. But when facts disprove the basis upon which "the belief" is rooted then what follows is inevitable. EXAMPLE: The bible is very clearly a hoax and so much of it has been proven to be a hoax that it renders the book useless. Does it prove god does not exist? No, but it does prove that Christianity is based on superstition and, therefore, disproves it.

    First, what "terror and mass graves" are you referring to in Vietnam?
    Secondly, to disprove your "look at societies" let us have a look at religious societies like the Nazis of Germany, Fascists of Italy, Chile, Serbia and the numerous atrocities committed by the US. Any conclusions?
     
    Thingamabob, Jul 31, 2022
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    as always as it is today, there were other vested 'interests' involved like

    Great Britain and Ireland legally recognized the belligerent status of the Confederate States of America (CSA) but never recognized it as a nation and neither signed a treaty with it nor ever exchanged ambassadors.

    The brits needed cotton, and moreover the 'original' 13th amendment (that said no brits can hold the high office) magically disappeared from constitution and was replaced with slavery long after the fighting started. Just another one of those strange coincidences that occur when maximum honesty is imposed upon we the people.
     
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    A test if Abraham trusted God, but in the end Abraham was not allowed to sacrifice Isaac. And after that there is no child sacrifice condoned by God.



    You have not read the story of Jepthah, read Judges 11. Jepthah did not pledge that he would sacrifice his child if God gave him victory over the Ammonites, he said he would sacrifice what came out of his door first. He clearly expected an animal to come out the door. The story is a tragic one. Jepthah is a story of poor parenting and foolishness, nobody who has read the Bible takes it as a story that God accepts or encourages child sacrifice.

    Jesus was a voluntary sacrifice, and a unique one in that He was resurrected and He knew he would be. Its similar to a soldier jumping on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers.

    The Old Testament (Judaism) requires specific animal sacrifice for atonement, not human sacrifice.

    The New Testament (Christianity) most certainly does not accept human sacrifice. The "Golden Rule" comes from the Bible, it is in the Old and New Testament, how can that rule possibly be compatible with human sacrifice?
     
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    So you're an atheist, good for you.
    What is it that powers/animates our body and contains the consciousness, that stores fragments from experiences and lessons learnt from past lives?
     
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    Id be more careful here, you cant disprove belief rooted in the 'supernatural' with facts.
     
    Kokomojojo, Jul 31, 2022
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    The believer in god (OP) is a cult follower.
     
    Thingamabob, Jul 31, 2022
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    but hitler actually was honest with the people and fought on the side of his constituents where germany agreed to go into poland after the poles slaughtered over 50000 men woman and children trying to get back to germany proper.
     
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  11. Thingamabob

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    No. It was Bush Baby Junior who made that claim when he illegally invaded Irak .... and found no WMDs.
     
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    and that differs from a believer in the godhood of guvmint how?
     
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    So any believer in God is a cult follower?
     
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    Its the "end of story" only if you don't know history and have not read the Bible.

    Christianity is defined by the New Testament. The New Testament is clearly against slavery.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not an atheist.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Could be.
     
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    Explain yourself, man!
     
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    Is that 'could' be?
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I add the war in Northern Ireland (Christians waring with Christians) would it be off-topic?
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you mean?
     
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    That didn't stop the Christians of the American Southern States from going to war and killing their
    fellow countrymen to make sure they could still have slaves ...

    And if the New Testament was written several hundred years after Christ - what the hell took so long for the Christians of Europe
    and the New Countries to figure that it was against slavery?
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes.
     
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    You're not an atheist, then what's with this and what is your belief...

     
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    I'm glad for you.
     
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    I am an Agnostic.
     
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