What Happens When We Stop Believing in God

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  1. Jolly Penguin

    Jolly Penguin Well-Known Member

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    Well, eventually we are going to need to either stop the over breeding or find another inhabitable planet. The only alternative is mass starvation and war.
     
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    Clear your minds, relax and forget about politicians trying to create man made utopias. Through all the plagues, wars and totalitarian regimes, Christianity has stood the test of time for a reason. You can disparage it, but you can’t beat it. The flame sometimes died especially during the 20th century, but not the spark.

    Your ideas are current fashions that put hundreds of millions into 20th century mass graves, but the words in this video will last long, long after you and your ideas have gone.

     
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    I'm an atheist where do you believe our morals diverge? What moral beliefs do you hold that you believe I as an atheist do not? And not faith's, morals.
     
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    Why do you paint atheist with such a broad brush? I'm an atheist and want to be "left alone" as much as I support your right to practice you religious faith, as long as you don't use our government to promote or sanction it. Keep religious faith out of government and government out of religious faith, that is helped us keep a civil society for all people since the beginning of the country.
     
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    My op wasn't to discuss philosophy, but what happens when we remove religion and substitute for man-made beliefs in its place.
     
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    Abraham and Isaac was a one time test of Abraham's faith, not a requirement to sacrifice children.

    Jepthah is a story of foolishness and irresponsibility, it is most certainly not an acceptance or a requireent for child sacrifice.

    Deuteronomy 12:31 & 8:10, Leviticus 18:21 & 20:2, Jeremiah 7:31, and more forbid child sacrifice. There are many other verses that declare people who sacrifice ther children are an abomination.
     
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    Never heard of Ashoka so I looked him up. He banned the slave trade - not slavery - in a part of India, and not in his entire empire. While Ashoka later in his life became a Buddhist, Hinduism and its caste system (which included a form of slavery) were still ongoing in India during his reign.

    But I will agree that Ashoka recognized slavery as harmful and something to be abolished and he did what he could in those circumstances. At that time, slavery was ingrained in all societies, and to abolish it would have turned the economic and social and governmental systems on their heads and ruined his entire empire, the result would be starvation and disaster.
     
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    The Civil War was not a religious war. Its motivations were far more complex than a simple "its about slavery". The fact that other nations ended slavery without going to war is a great big clue that the motivations for the Civil War were not so simple.

    In fact, there were discussions between the North and South about an equitable seperation and they were making progress until a hot headed Southern officer decided to fire on Ft. Sumter.
     
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    ~ Populations have been on decline in many countries for over a decade. The population that needs to decrease is the politicians.
    However I still prefer cats over most people. :aww:
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    A test of if Abraham would sacrifice a child... And praised for being willing to do so.

    At the very least an indication that this God's followers thought child sacrifice pleased God, and that God did nothing to indicate otherwise before Jeptha killed his daughter.

    That is not the only contradiction in the Bible. Also even these verses are telling in that they speak against child sacrifice and not human sacrifice generally. Jesus himself is praised as such a sacrifice. No getting around it. The religion says God wants blood and suffering, and only by it will he forgive man sin, rather than by being kind to others, etc.
     
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    The world population is still increasing quickly overall. The planet doesn't care what happens in particular subtribes, in its upper limit on how many humans it can support.

    And dogs are better than cats. ;)
     
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    With NO EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND, you just got through accusing Bill Gates of what amounts to GENOCIDE.

    You quote garbage attributed to the likes of Dr. Naomi Wolf (NOT a medical doctor) and others in the radical antiVaxx movement that has NO BASIS in medical science.

    YOU REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS THIS RIGHT HERE, PUBLICLY, TO THIS BOARD.

    Accusations like THAT against an individual who has a long history of working to reduce health problems on this and other continents is more than just disgusting.

    It's just plain not acceptable.
     
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    Technically maybe it's genocide, but I think that word unfairly leads most people to think of killing, rather than preventing births of new people.

    I would much rather have less people born than have more people die.
     
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    OK, so genocide is over the top.

    It's still being presented as a planned depopulation by poisoning people's ability to procreate.

    Accusing an individual of that plan, with ZERO evidence, is WAY beyond disgusting. Plus, it doesn't even make ANY kind of sense. Bill Gates doesn't make vaccines. Vaccines are designed, approved and manufactured under government testing and authorization.

    I'm REALLY tired with how PROFOUNDLY STUPID these accusations have become.

    The antiVax direction has gone stark raving mad, leaving many confused about how to protect themselves and their families from diseases that carry serious damage.
     
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    Where does any of that take place in the New Testament?

    It doesn't.
     
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    The law and religious principles of the OT are stated as having come from God.

    But, now you are proposing that the OT principles are no longer valid?

    Does that mean that when Christians cite the OT today, they are just making a mistake?
     
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    If you believe in Jesus CHRIST then you're stuck with the concept of vicarious redemption, ya? And also by suffering and death of another person. That's a problem for me.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Well you said to the other poster

    That is philosophy. So what morals do you hold that you believe I as an atheist do not? Pretty simple question if you are going to discuss the morals of each.

    I don't believe in supernatural beings, gods, my beliefs are "man-made". Other than your religious faith, your belief in a supernatural god, what "beliefs" do you believe we do not share? I simply don't have to have a god commanding me to believe something else I will get some sort of punishment from him. If you prefer to have such faith great, good for you, please believe it and practice it I defend your constitutional right to do so. But I don't think there is much different between us other than your faith.
     
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    And to me it is also a problem that the OT calls for death sentences even for the least offenses of what one eats or wears as directed by God.

    Yet, the NT calls for actively searching out those in prisons, in hospitals, in poor houses and giving them the aid they need - with hell being the punishment for the followers of Jesus for failing this directive as stated in Matthew 25, verses 31 to end.

    And, we see multiple stories of Jesus giving aid to sinners without judgement.

    So, now Christians want to apply the OT when they wish and ignore this major principle of the NT.
     
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    Eventually, you will believe in the morals of those politicians that you vote in. That's how it always ends.
     
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    Yea but it makes for a pretty inviting religious faith compared to some others. No matter how bad you are, no matter what you do at the end, even just Hitler before committing suicide, you simply ask Jesus for forgiveness and it will be granted and the doors to Heaven opened and the angels sounding their trumpets.
     
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    So Jesus was mistaken when he praised these laws?
     
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    Unless you read Paul, who still says that those who hate God deserve to die and says that the governments of the earth (which he says it is a sin to rebel against) bear their swords as God's executioners.
     
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    That's a simplistic way of looking at it.

    You might as well ask was it fair the New England Patriots to win Super Bowl 51 when they never led at any point in the game.
     

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