What if Zimmermann Walks?

It isnt speculation when she testified to what she heard.

 

Show us where anyone formed an opinion against Z before evidence was released.

Nobody is taking away the principle of innocent until proven guilty because we are not advocating Z being sent to jail without a fair trial. People giving their opinions on a case where they have no involvement are not interfering with Z's due process. Also, do you know what presumption means?

 

Libs have been screaming racial discrimination since day one.

Of course the left made up its mind based only on skin color.

 

I have no doubt she will testify to what she heard. The speculation would come in if they had her guess what was going on at the other end of the line. She is no expert witness on the subject. They would chew her up in cross-examination.

 

Most witnesses aren't "expert" witnesses........

 

Zimmerman may have the same problem under cross-examination. He only took the stand for 30 seconds at his bond hearing and he even screwed that up.

 

Umm...were you paying attention the first month or so? First he was a white Jewish guy who shot a 12 yr old. Oh you forgot that? Hey some news outlets are still showing picture of T when he was 12. Its amazing.

 

As long as she testifies to what she heard, no. But claiming Trayvon was attacked because his phone fell is speculation. Unless she was there and saw exactly what happened she is guessing. Given her biased toward Trayvon she will guess in his favor.

 

They were also using a mugshot of Zimmerman from 2005.

 

I think she has been coached by the ambulance chasing lawyer (Crump) for the Martin family. Crump at least wants this to make it past the Stand Your Ground law so he can sue.

 

Crump will sue the HOA, not Zimmerman.. GZ was a renter.

 

True, but expert witnesses are allowed some degree of latitude when it comes to speculation. This girl guessing as to what the scuffling noises on the other end of a phone line are would be considered speculation.

 

And, he was talking via head set, so I doubt his phone "dropped".

 

She may have a problem explaining why she didn't tell investigators that the kid said get off, get off, in her first interview. She said she heard a bump, how can she say she forgot one of the most important things he said that would show Z was the aggressor?

 

Not if he is honest and consistent and the story he has given is true. That is if he takes the stand at all.

Don't know what you're referring to. What I heard I thought he did quite well.

 

I don't know whether at an SYG hearing the rules are more lax so the judge might allow speculation from witnesses or not. Don't know how these work.

 

I've gotta think the prosecution is holding back it's best evidence and we just haven't seen it yet. If this girl is what they've got then this case should get laughed out of court.

 

And what negligent action was the HOA guilty of?

 

Civil liability in wrongful death.

GZ was operating as their NW captain.

BTW, The prosecution has to share ALL evidence upon discovery.

 

Witness the left's definition of "justice".

 

Which is exactly what you would expect from someone who has previously changed his story multiple times and lied to his own attorney.

 

Was he acting in his capacity as HOA when this incident occurred? If he wasn't appointed as NW captain would this event not have occurred anyway? Should the HOA have known when appointing GZ that it could lead to this event? Not saying they won't sue the HOA, but I think most ambulance-chasers suck.

They did give us the big dump of physical evidence. I would think they'll have, for example, forensic experts attempting to demonstrate why GZ couldn't have shot TM in the manner in which he testified due to the angle of trajectory or some such. They're gonna have experts trying to show GZ's testimony is false. What we've seen thus far does not even suggest 2nd degree murder.

 

According to you or according to the actual facts?

 

Following at a safe distance is not "instigating" but if a person pursues and closes to within a distance where they present a reasonable threat of physical harm then it can be "assault" under the law and because Zimmerman was armed with a deadly weapon it would be aggravated assault which is a felony. Apparently Zimmerman approached so close to Martin that Martin was able to turn and physically confront Zimmerman so there is a case for the prosecution.

It is true that the prosecution would have to establish "assault" by Zimmerman but all that requires is that Zimmerman created a reasonable threat to Martin's safety. I would hate to be Zimmerman right about now because a jury could go either way based upon the evidence. If I was Zimmerman's attorney I'd be looking for a plea bargain to voluntary manslaugther with a 5-7 yr sentence as opposed to risking 25 yrs to life for 2nd degree murder.

 

That is true but they don't have to share it all at this point in time. Zimmerman has already waive his right to a speedy trial so this could go on for a year or more before the case approaches going to court if it ever goes to court. I think Zimmerman will opt for a plea bargain to avoid a possible 2nd Degree conviction.