What is it about pregnancy you find so objectionable?

Well, of course, you don't have to answer my questions, but I can still ask them. You seem to think abortion is a GOOD thing, is why I ask.

 

Here ya go with your now famous Twist and Squirm..........

I believe in women having a CHOICE to either have an abortion or have a full term pregnancy. Neither you nor I can decide what is best for them and I don't claim to, you do.

I do NOT believe an abortion is a bad thing. It just is an abortion. I don't think women who have them are bad either .....

 

So do I, but I don't really think abortion is the best idea and should be avoided if possible. I think there is a possibility that such women could be quite cold and callous, perhaps even selfish to some degree, but I wouldn't DREAM of burdening them.

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You know, there's a possibility when you leave your home you could get hit by a car. There is a possibility that if you have unprotected sex, you could get a disease, sometimes fatal. Life is full of risks.

 

You sure denigrate women a lot....


How would you know what another person's best ideas are? You don't.

Maybe you should actually learn about the women who have abortions before you bad mouth them...some may be your relatives and friends.....

And quit with that "selfish" crap. There's no law against it and selfish is simply doing what one wants to do....it's selfish to bring someone into this world without their permission simple because YOU want a baby.......see how it works...??? Nothing wrong with doing what you want to do.....

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And no one should be forced to suffer the consequences of taking a risk....if you are in a car accident and get injured should you be denied medical aid because you took the risk of driving??? Or "walking by cars"..

 

I'm expressing my opinions. Don't like them? Too bad for you. Too bad, so sad.

Ba-ha-ha! Your argument about it being selfish to have a baby is quite silly. It is less selfish act to have the baby and let the baby have a chance at life than to abort it because you might feel unwell or get stretch marks. That's my opinion, and while I wouldn't make such a decision for another person, that doesn't mean I have to agree that "abortion is the bees knees!"

I thought you weren't going to talk to me anymore?

 

The reasons for bringing a baby into the world are always selfish ones. It's because YOU want to create a family to fulfill YOUR dreams, or YOU want to pass on your genes, or YOU want to have an heir, or because of YOUR religious beliefs, or because it makes YOU feel morally superior to those who choose abortion.

 

That's not true at all. Some pregnancies are accidental, obviously. Yes, I do happen to think that it is morally superior to allow the child the chance at life than to terminate it's life because it might be inconvenient.

I am pro choice because I'm a realist, no other reason really. Honestly though, a lot of the people on this and other threads kind of make me sick with their "views" about abortion and how they seem to act as if the unborn's life is an "inconvenience." Yes, I find that morally reprehensible to say the least.

You would think that having an abortion is the equivalent of having an infected tooth pulled by how some people talk about it.

 

That was on the other thread where you continually lied about what I posted(and I proved it)....this topic isn't boring....and you are so wrong about everything it'll be fun.....

 

Nope, I showed that you are not supportive of women whose views you disagree with. Period. End of story.

 

I got that from your posts .... that you are pro -choice. I just kind of questioned your rotten people rational but, you do say that this was only one of your reasons.

Adoption is a viable option for those that wish to choose that option. My position is that there is no justification for forcing this choice.

 

I've never mentioned "force" in any of my posts. I don't have to agree with abortion or like it to be pro choice. One reason why I'm pro choice is because I realize that these kinds of people are going to do whatever they want anyways and I don't think it's a good idea to force parenthood on such people. Some others may have perfectly valid reasons (according to them) for having one. It is what it is, but I don't HAVE to like it or agree with it.

 

I think you are on the right track and applaud your stance in spite of the fact that you find abortion so objectionable.

In the words of Solman Rushdie - belief in freedom is not belief in freedoms only for things you agree with. Belief in freedom is believing for freedom in things that you actually detest.

I do not think it is a good idea to force anything on people as per the Golden Rule. "do unto others as you would have them do to you".

If I do not want others forcing their beliefs on me by making laws, then I should not be forcing my beliefs on others by making laws.

 

pets and humans have babies via similar processes and often for the same reasons

there appears to be an unwanted surplus production in both cases
we just handle the surplus in a different way

in both cases there is hand wringing about the sanctity of life
as well as moralistic judgements about the source of the problem

maybe we could force women to have these babies
stick them in an adoption facility
then euthanize the babies if they are not adopted after 6 weeks
or whenever they run out of cribs

 

Yes, those are exactly the reasons people have for bringing a baby into the world. There may be more, but they are all selfish. It is always because of something you want for yourself.

OTOH, it is not selfish to abort if you think you can't care for a child or provide for it. Adoption is not a panacea either, because it is emotionally wrenching for the woman and later for the child who wonders forever why his mother didn't want him. Regulations for adoption are sometimes inadequate, and foster and adopted children are sometimes abused or tortured. And no young girl should ever be pressured or forced into childbirth; it would rip her body apart.

Giving a child a "chance at life" is always a risk. You can't know if they will have a good or bad life. Plenty of people wish they were never born, and it is possible that life in the future will be even harder with climate change and water shortages making life a struggle.

Abortion as "inconvenience" is a debunked pro-life talking point. Pregnancy and childbirth can never be truthfully dismissed as "an inconvenience." It is a major physical and emotional life event whether the woman keeps the baby or gives it away.

I wish no woman ever had the need for an abortion. Pro-choicers are always the ones who want to reduce unwanted pregnancies and therefore, abortions by methods proven to work. "Pro-life" misguided policies actually result in more abortions, so if you don't like abortion, they are the ones you should be critical of.

 

And I showed proof that you lied with a post of mine YOU supplied....we are off topic, got a problem? take it back to the other forum WHERE THE PROOF IS ...and stop the lies






And stop denigrating the women whose views you disagree with on abortion, you are not very supportive of women who have abortions...and that is very obvious...

 

Well put and true...I liked the " because it makes YOU feel morally superior to those who choose abortion""



Yes, some people just don't have any reason to feel or be superior.......so have to make one up...