What is 'objective reality'?

I don't know about all of that.

He just seems to be a theist and I presume you are atheist, (my apologies if I am mistaken). But just because you may believe (or not believe) in a different thing, doesn't mean we have to be enemies.

 

I am AGNOSTIC....and I have no issue of any person of any Religion....as long as they are not shooting at me or trying to sell me...pardon me...get a donation...for some Religious Books early in the morning at my front door!!!

I don't care what sexual preference a person has...don't care what skin color or race orwhether they like to fly kites!!!

I DON'T CARE!!!!

What I care about is REALITY!

Because I live in it...and it is a B!#@H!

AboveAlpha

 

Okay, I don't care for door to door things myself.

 

What does going door to door have to do with defining 'objective reality'?

 

duh, a door is objectively real.

 

Not after you have analyzed it and have come to a conclusion regarding its status. Your analysis and conclusion are subjective.

 

Until you walk into one or have one slammed into your face!!!! LOL!!!

My definition of REAL.....If it physically effects me....it is REAL.

AboveAlpha

 

Well, that is good to know, because you don't place any restrictions on the source of the object that effects your physically. Therefore, as long as there is a physical effect, you are not concerned with the source of that effect. Hello book of Psalms.... Hello to the Greater and Lesser Keys of Solomon.

 

Notice the words....if IT......IT being defined by the Scientific Method.

AboveAlpha

 

yes, I noticed the word "it" being used twice. However, the 'scientific method' is not a physical thing, but a process that involves physical things... at best, the scientific method is a concept. Now, because it is a concept, it cannot be real, but rather a subjective thing/practice.

 

By your logic the BELIEF IN A GOD is a not a PHYSICAL THING but a concept thus cannot be real!

That is what YOUR idea of Logic is saying.

Try to stick to irritating members with rhetoric.

AboveAlpha

 

You finally realized what I have been saying all along. I have repeatedly told you and others that God is not Physical but rather Spiritual. I must say,,, it took you long enough to realize what I have been saying. Try paying more attention to what I write, and it might not take so long in the future to realize what I am saying.

 

Simply PROVE IT.

AboveAlpha

 

I am not an advocate of the scientific method, therefore the onus of proving the scientific method is not upon me.

 

LOL!!!!!

You realize that you are using the Scientific Method....RIGHT NOW...or at least when you replied to me....in order to LOGICALLY FORMULATE A REPLY!!!

The Scientific Method is simply a Method to properly apply LOGIC and thus is sort of a CHECK LIST in order to figure out things or Reality.

Every Theologen uses the SCIENTIFIC METHOD....in a manner to best understand their Religious Text or Bible or Koran or Torah...etc.

Example....LINK....http://catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/PBC_Interp-FullText.htm

Baptists, Protestants...etc....use the SCIENTIFIC METHOD and use this method in all their theological research of the Bible in order to better understand some of it's meanings.

AboveAlpha

 

No. Wrong again. Nouns are objectively real.

 

Well that is noble of you to ascribe such a prestigious trait upon my being. However, there are likely to be some on this forum who would disagree with you in regard to my techniques of presenting argument on this forum.

Then you admit that 'things' constitute 'reality'? That is great. www.tfd.com/thing
"hing (thng)n.1. An entity, an idea, or a quality perceived, known, or thought to have its own existence."

Can you show PROOF of that claim?

Again, can you show PROOF of that claim?

 

Then "God" is objectively real. Very good.

 

Objectively definition....adverb

Using facts and not personally influenced by beliefs.

Thus....since the existence of a GOD or GOD'S has not nor cannot be proven to be REAL....

It is a false statement that a GOD is Objectively Real.

The BIG BANG is OBJECTIVELY REAL.....WHY?

BECAUSE WE HAVE EVIDENCE....TANGIBLE, PHYSICAL AND MATHEMATICAL EVIDENCE!!

As far as a GOD......NUTTHIN!

Hey...I WISH this was not so...but it is....we have absolutely ZERO EVIDENCE that a GOD exists or is real.

AboveAlpha

 

You see that "n" at the end of the pronunciation key? It means "noun"... therefore, the term 'god' meets the requirements established by dairyair... it is a noun and as dairyair stipulated "all nouns are objectively real".
Take your argument up with the one who made the claim regarding the status of 'nouns'.
"god (gd)n.1. God
a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
b. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.

2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god."

 

GOD......definition

1. Something made up or not by people who have no clue.

2. Possibly existing something or somewhat...somehow...maybe....but no existing proof it exists.

3. Something people pray to when afraid of dying or facing REALITY.

4. Supposed Loving Entity that although to all evidence to the contrary...such evidence being starving, dying and diseased newborns....innocent 1 to 10 year olds butchered....laid to waste.....BUT HEY!!

IT'S ALL A PART OF GODS PLAN RIGHT!!???

If there is a GOD we need to FIRE IT'S ASS and get in a Temp. to do a better job until the possition can be filled by properly EVOLVED HUMANS!!

AboveAlpha

 

really? What is the source of your definition? My source (in relevant part) was www.tfd.com/god .

 

LOL!!!!

That is like using a Priest or Minister as a source to prove a specific Gospel was not made up!!! LOL!!!

Actually....it is like a person who is highly addicted to a drug coming up to their dealer and asking the Dealer..."Hey....is it GOOD?"

Now....what do you think the Drug Dealer is going to say in his reply to his customer?

Would he say..."No!! IT'S TERRIBLE!! DON'T BUY IT FROM ME IT SUCKS!! LOL!!!

OF COURSE NOT!!!

Religion is the DRUG!

Priests, Ministers, Pastors, Preachers, Imans, Rabbi's.....they are the PUSHERS....THE DRUG DEALERS!

The praying and confessing of sin's or asking for forgiveness brings the euphoria of absolution WHICH IS THE DRUGS HIGH!!!

Withdrawl is when a person does not go to worship for awhile and by coincidence things go badly in their lives so they confuse action/reaction and Causality to WRATH OF GOD.....that is WITHDRAWL.

And when a person actually dies and either that is it or perhaps something does go on....and if something does go on and that would have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MANSIONS IN THE SKY as the issues and wants of the body would have no need for a possible existing Consciousness or Soul....THAT IS THE CRASH!

AboveAlpha

 

Seemingly then your addiction if an aversion from 'truth'. In this particular case, the truth of the definition of the term "god". Your refusal to provide an intelligent answer as opposed to a rationalization is evidence that your presentation of a definition was a definition of your own private interpretation and not one that has been socially accepted by those who publish dictionaries.

 

Again...for what seems the Millionth Time.....a TRUTH is SUBJECTIVE!!!

I have no issue if people wish to believe in a TRUTH.

I do have an issue when people try to state a TRUTH is a FACT or REALITY as it is NOT.

If it was...it would no longer be a TRUTH but rather a FACT...as a fact is not subjective.

AboveAlpha