What is single payer?

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Because when you are acutely ill you cannot bargain

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Mate I live in one of the few countries on earth that was actually founded on socialist principles and our standard of health by all indicators is higher than yours

 

not sure what you mean, if I had cancer as an American could i hope over to Canada and get free treatment?

 

Did you not read this from the post?
It works for car insurance as well, where liability toward others is a major issue justifying at least that minimum insurance be carried-

Car insurance (generally for liability insurance only) is imposed because by driving you do pose a potential danger to others. However, comprehensive and the coverage for your own car is different- because that potential loss is yours to insure or not, with the exception of when the car has a loan and the lender requires insurance to cover his risk.

My life and health are my responsibility- and I hold no other man responsible for what I do, including decisions about health insurance.

 

don't be silly WalMart has low prices as a policy not because one person bargains when he walks in the door in acute need of a screw driver. Do you understand?

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if true we'd all switch to socialism in all industries so we could all have a soviet standard of living. Do you understand now?

 

So, when you go to a hospital in an ambulance after a car crash you get offered a choice of doctors showing cost versus outcomes same as shopping in Walmart?
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I'm trying to point out that America is no different from many other countries that do not have socialised or single-payer or national healthcare insurance. As soon as we get Trump in office, the socialists pop out of their holes and, with all honesty I'm sure, ask why we don't emulate a program that they like.

It gets rather irritating after awhile. We went through the healthcare debate for years, which ultimately ended up with the democrats forcing obamacare down our gullets. Well that's going to be repealed. Trump was gracious enough to tell Obama he would consider keeping some aspects of obamacare in place, but he can't do that without breaking his promise to repeal obamacare.

I personally think he was just being polite, rather than simply saying "sorry bub, but it's first on the list of your bad ideas that are going into the presidential dumpster".

I even offered some solutions, like having it done by states or municipalities. If a state or city wants to have a single-payer system, then great! Just not the federal government. Those suggestions are ignored by socialists time after time after time. It's like you're speaking ancient aramic to them. All they hear is bzzz bzzz bzzz in their ears, and then go on as if nothing was said.

Sorry, but no and no and no.

 

No Trump i'm down because he does not want to headline saying 22 million Americans now at risk of no healthcare

 

you have to give libs credit. they almost succeeded in making us think socialism was necessary in health care in prelude to making us think it was necessary in all industries.

 

hey, I am all for Republicans replacing Obamacare, last to touch it gets blamed for all the problems

that said I think Trump is smarter then that, I think he is gonna work with Democrats and Republicans to keep what works in ObamaCare and go from there

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Lots of Americans don't have ferraris, either.

There will be healthcare of a sort. It's just that healthcare is like any other service or product. The market will cater to most price points. If you can't afford a ferrari, then how about this low mileage 86 dodge omni?

 

basic health care is not the same as a ferraris

the government will not allow people to self medicate or treat people without much restrictions, thus they should help the poor

 

The times, they are a changin'.

The beauty that is a Trump presidency is that he thinks like a businessman. Healthcare is a business like any other.

 

The choice is between freedom, the freedom to make your own choices, and tyranny, the choice to give up your freedom and have the government dictate to you what healthcare you are allowed.

Liberals always seem comfortable having government take the roll of mommy to take care of them.

 

which means it wont be changing as much as you think it will be... he is already softening on killing ObamaCare and talking of taking what works and rebuilding from there

 

too bad nothing works which is why you clean forgot to tell us what works in Obamacommie care.

 

Maaaate - you are dragging a long way behind the rest of the industrialized world in relation to health indicators - you spend more money for a worse outcome
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/173589/1/WHO_HIS_HSI_2015.3_eng.pdf?ua=1

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We call that "pub talk". Fueled by alcohol - no content no real opinion just parroting a blame game

 

so you want to bring back pre-existing conditions as an example.... glad Trump disagrees with you

if republican repeal and replace and do it all themselves, that would be political suicide.. Trump knows that

last one to touch it, is responsible for all future issues the private insures create

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If I said I want to bring it back I'll pay the liberal $10,000. Bet??

 

so you want to keep some of the stuff in obamacare, that is what I said to begin with and you said 'too bad nothing works which is why you clean forgot to tell us what works in Obamacommie care."

I think Trump is being reasonable to say we should keep what works in ObamaCare and build from that


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yes they have a more efficient socialism than we do. If we switch to capitalism prices will come down 80% and 10-20 years will be added to our life span. Do you understand?

 

Actually nobody ever wanted people with preexisting conditions to be denied health care. But hopefully Republicans will charge those with self-induced preexisting conditions more as means to encourage healthy behavior.

 

you mean like sports injuries?

 

He promised Obama he would look into it. This is the polite way of telling him no.

Of course there are good things in it. The problem is that the babies really can't be separated from the bath water. The mandate has to go, and with it, everything else.

 

so how do you explain how poor Cuba is under socialism and how rich China is getting now that they have switched to Republican capitalism????.

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how can their be something good in socialism??

 

like I said, republicans do that and it's political suicide unless they replace it with something as good or better and sense they still have to trust the private insures to keep rates low, or they will get all the blame same as democrats did when they were last to touch it, they wont want to own it, they will want it to be bipartisan same as democrats did

the republicans just spent years using this as a weapon against democrats, they are not gonna make the same mistake and give a weapon like that to democrats to use against them

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