What is the "moderate" Muslims' plan to destroy ISIS?

Especially after the 2nd innocent Japanese hostage (a journalist) was beheaded, obviously ISIS is too savage to be allowed to continue in the 21st century. Question: what plan do the "moderate" Muslims have in place to try to destroy ISIS? Specific plans to defeat them, not just general condemnations of how much ISIS is inconveniently hurting the image of Islam.

Personally, I haven't seen one, but maybe I read the wrong publications.

Your thoughts?

 

http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/11/search-plan-destroy-isis/99884/

This is largely a crit of what the US is doing now, but it does mention that there are tens of thousands of Syrians and Iraqis who want to fight ISIS in the area. Doing that places their lives and their families lives at extreme risk of horrific death and shows a great depth of feeling by thousands of muslim moderates, does it not?

 

The US and other nations are fighting ISIS even though they don't border ISIS territory, so I'm talking about Muslims that don't just border ISIS. The "moderates" in France, in US, in Australia, in Canada, in UK, in Indonesia, etc. 95% of Muslims don't border ISIS, I'm talking about them (the vast vast majority of Muslims), not just the ones that can see that ISIS is waiting to kill them - just over the hill they see out their window. The ones doing so because "ISIS has hijacked our religion!"....apparently, not because they are Shiite and being shelled by the Sunni ISIS.

 

ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, ad nauseam, they're all the same, atavistic savages, extortionists, bandits and murderers; it's similar to Hitler's Nazi Party versus the SA: for the rest of the world the Sunni/Shia infighting is a distinction without a difference. Feed both sides and let them butcher each other; they'll have less time and fewer savages to butcher non-Muslims. We should make sure neither side wins or dominates the other, and switch support accordingly. When they genocide their own people down thoroughly enough, disarm the remainder and put them on reservations, give them sheep and gardening tools and see to it they can't run around loose. Then there will be peace in the ME, central Asia, and Africa.

 

Are you suggesting similar to the way FDR put Japanese Americans in internment camps in WWII (that we do that to Muslims in WWIII - which we are likely in right now)?

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Is there any evidence that MOHAMMAD behaved this way? If so, it would explain their behavior? Your thoughts?

 

0.001% of all Muslims are doing something against ISIS, yes. What about the other 99.999%?

 

FDR was right to do so, given the situation at the time;interning also protected them from the inevitable violence that would be inflicrted on them when dead soldiers strated turning up on the Pacific beaches.

As for Muslims, just deport the ones who keep sniveling for 'Sharia courts' here, and the members of Wahhabist mosques. About 75% of the mosques built in the U.S. cater to that vile sect, mostly funded by the Saudis.

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Yes. The Koran, and some 1,400 years of historians reporting on their behavior.

My thoughts are that it's blatantly obvious Islam is a violent, atavistic political ideology, and not a religion.

 

What would it take to get Obama and other non-Muslim Islamic apologists to think like you do?

 

Why would they need to have any such plan? Why would they advertise such a plan if it exists? Are you trying to hold them responsible for a group they do not support? If so, why?

ISIL is a political threat in a specific part of the world. The places it threatens are the places that need to have plans to counteract that threat.

As to ISIL being too savage to be permitted to exist, many regimes have been and are equally barbaric; they were/are Christian, atheistic and Muslim. Belgium was tolerated despite the way they treated the people of their Congo colony as was Pinochet in Chile; in fact, the US supported Pinochet. The USSR was tolerated even though they starved the kulaks over a period of years, North Korea remains unmolested though the abuse it heaps on its people are well documented. The CIA overthrew a popular elected government in Iran in favor of the brutal Shah and continues to support the repressive Saudis. There are too many bad people on the planet to stop them all. The world has to pick its fights.

 

Nice. You do realize the same kind of things could have been said about the IRA and the Orangemen, right? That the same could be said about Christians when European nations fight. War, after all, is a pretty brutal and atavistic activity.

 

Why is this the sole responsibility of Muslims? You have not adequately explained this aspect of your premise.

 

Most historians regard the interning of the West Coast Japanese to have been a historic wrong motivated by racism. While not outright crimes, the internees could not keep their property and were forced by circumstance to sell it, thus depriving them of property as well as liberty without due process of law. I have found no mention of crimes against Japanese because they were Japanese in Hawaii, even though the vast majority (99.9%) were not interned there. Perhaps you have sources you could cite?

Who is asking for 'Sharia courts' in the US?

You're going to have to provide a source for both of these claims.
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Do you claim Christians, atheists or pagans have better historical track records? From what I've read, they look pretty much the same. It's just people being people: we're just not very nice to each other unless we're forced to be.

 

They promote the same texts that the terrorists use to justify slaughter of infidels and mal-treatment of women and gays....or do they say that those texts are wrong and that Mohammad/Allah got those particular texts wrong?

 

Yea, as do the Westboro Baptist Church and the Christian Identity movement with mainstream Christianity.

What, are you suggesting that they have some kind of pogrom or Jihad against the radicals?

 

A moral person would change their texts if the texts were so bad that those insane nutjobs listed above could use said texts to get their insane beliefs from. The Bible says to KILL gays, in multiple places, so remove that and it would at least make a dent in future people (who read that version) being so insane from the book. Modern Secular Humanism is more flexible than religions are, including Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

 

Do you know any Wahhabis? What do you think they believe?

 

And exactly how many religions change texts that are hundreds if not thousands of years old just for the purposes of political correctness?

Sorry, this is simply an attack thread, and has no real purpose other then to provide you a soap box to pontificate from.

 

Moderate Muslims don't mistreat women or gays or slaughter infidels any more than moderate Christians do, even though the Bible calls for those same things. Did the prophets/YHWH/the apostles get the Bible wrong?

 

You think that not killing gays is just an exercise in "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS"!? What the hell! Can you whole-hearted condemn the verses that say to kill gays in the Bible and the Islamic texts? I can, because MSH is a moral belief system.

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Then they should have no problem saying that the verses that advocate those things are simply wrong. But they won't, because they, deep down, do seem to believe those verses (kill gays, treat women as 1/2 man, kill apostates, kill critics of Islam/Mohammad, etc.)

 

And you completely dodge the question.

And exactly how many religions change texts that are hundreds if not thousands of years old just for the purposes of political correctness?

Spare me your phony outrage, your complete hatred of religion is apparent. And people can act like complete prats even without "religion" as their guiding principal. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Young Turks, none of them used any form of "religious text" as their justification for what they did, and look at the tens if not hundreds of millions their bloodbaths killed.

 

My thought is you nee to do more reading those fighting ISIS in the region are Muslims. Educate yourself then get back to us.

 

You've never read the bible, obviously, and you've never read the Koran. They do not call for the same things at all. Quit reading gibberish from web pages, indulging your personal confirmation biases, and learn about something called 'context', then actually read the books you're talking about.

 

Ironically, most of those who claim they are killing "infidels" are actually violating the Koran.

Of all of those killed in the recent strings of executions by ISIS, the Japanese hostages (likely Buddhist or Shinto) were the only infidels killed as far as I am aware. Christians and Jews are "People of The Book", and therefore not "Infidels" according to Islam. However, it only goes to show how ISIS has no real interest in Islam, only in their own perverted version which calls any who do not agree with them to be "Infidels".

And yea, I doubt he has read the Koran, nor the Bible of any form. Otherwise he would know such things.

 

The FSA is pretty powerless as far as I know, overshadowed and restricted to a pocket of territory in northwestern Syria. I honestly think it's BS that we interfere over there, just for the oil and empire building. At this point we should just stop interfering in the ME for once and just let them fight it out until they learn themselves they're being stupid and uncivilized. We need to stop trying to teach countries how to globalize, it's clear that as soon as our troops leave the pro-West puppet government can't hold fort and it collapses or loses territory to foreign/newly made power.(i.e. Iraq, Ukraine, same thing will probably happen in Afghanistan). we shouldn't be supporting the Saudis either, yeah they have resources to trade but it's messed up how we support a government not too different from ISIL. it's abhorrent of how close we are to the Saudi family

and Israel isn't exempt from this at all, I couldn't care less if Hamas is firing a couple rockets across the Israeli border. They've killed thousands of civilians in both Gaza and Lebanon. I hate Hamas/Hezbollah etc. just as much, they commit to religion to the point where it oppresses people. And even if the ME has to nuke itself into oblivion to learn the lesson of how to self-govern, so be it.

 

I can also, because I am a moderate. Were I a fundamentalist Christian the answer might be different. See how that works? BTW, there are immoral, extremist and bigoted humanists as well.

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Source? You never questioned every Muslim. I think you're making this up.