What is the "moderate" Muslims' plan to destroy ISIS?

So you'll then have no problem removing those atrocious verses from your bible, or advocate that others do the same, correct?

Mohammad approved of people killing his critics (people who wrote poetry/songs about him that were not favorable at all.)

 

Seems you have something to learn about context as well. Or do you deny that Christians burned heretics, kept women as second class citizens and executed gays claiming religion as a justification? And did so for over a millenium?

 

So can we agree that the Qur'an is quite ruthless and immoral, then?

 

No, it's people following/imitating the horrific acts that their "god" approves of....just read the religious texts to see that.

 

Why would I do that? Thinking it's wrong to be gay is not the same as advocating the death penalty for homosexuality. That's what being moderate is about. I've never heard of Muslims advocating the death penalty for gays either in the US. Why would they have to apologize or do anything about people who do not share the same belief system? And demonstrate the difference by taking actions the moderates wouldn't? Certainly were I a Communist I would feel no need to apologize for the excesses of Stalin.

So? Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin liquidated critics as well. And sometimes people whose only crime was being inconvenient. You don't need religion to kill people. You just need to be fanatical.

I think the problem is with extremism or fanaticism rather than the nature of the belief system. The problem with extremism is that people are treated as objects rather than individuals. Once that happens, all manner of evil can be perpetrated and tolerated.

 

BS. You don't need religion to do horrific things. Stalin liquidated the kulaks because they were in the way. This helped hasten the inevitable Communist takeover of the world in his belief. Therefore it was justified. Eliminating and looting the subhumans served the 'Thousand Year Reich', so it was justified according to Hitler. The humanist track record is no better than the religious.

 

So is any belief system political, religious or moral when pursued to its extremes by fanatics. The Bible has quite nasty passages as well, and the track record of humanists in the twentieth century is not good. Do you recommend we destroy all moral restraints and guidelines? I don't think the resulting chaos would be very nice either.

From where I stand you appear to be advocating crusade or possibly genocide. As a MSH, how do you justify yourself?

 

No, not at all. Sorry, I actually do not see that.

Stop trying to force others to share your belief, or that others who think you are a complete and utter jackass agree with you.

To give an idea, right in Exodus it states "Do not allow a witch to live". With that as a justification a group of fanatics could use that quote as an excuse to go on a massive orgy of killing every Halloween, and blowing up bombs in every library and book store that sells Harry Potter events.

Do not confuse the actions of insanely fundamentalist idiots with the religion.

And finally, do not ever again try to imply that I agree with you. I do not agree with idiots, racists, or a Theomisia.

 

It seems sometimes that "moderate" really, deep down, means that one does not believe their religion enough to actually follow it as it's written. That says something about the religion in question (likely that it's not really inspired by the all-knowing creator of the universe - since they are not following it as written, but are hedging a bit.) You may want to look into other belief systems, as well.

 

Please read the Qur'an and hadith and get back to us.
Thanks.

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Ask Muslims in the US if they think that Mohammad/Allah got it wrong were it says to kill gays in the Islamic texts, and then get back to us.
Have a great day.

 

I'm glad Modern Secular Humanism believes in democracy, and not totalitarian political schemes, where the state (or the dictator) is the religion - kind of like Juche (the religion if you will of N. Korea - which elevates the dictator to god/prophet-like status,, complete with almost supernatural powers and giant god-like statues in his honor.) Their goal is to have the dictator simply take the place of a "prophet of god".
The Economist states it this way: "The founder is sometimes presented as a kind of god, and his successor as the "son of a god"—a formula that has echoes of Christian theology. If the latest member of the dynasty to take the helm, Kim Jong Un, has any legitimacy, it is as the grandson of one divine figure and son of another."
http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2013/04/venerating-kims

 

I'm not advocating that, just education about MSH so that people have an alternative to the brutality of religions.

 

I'm not racist....tell me what exact race I unfairly condemn?

Can we agree that if the Islamic texts did not promise a bunch for virgins for committing holy war that the world would be a better place?

 

All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful. They differ in terms of penalty:

The Hanafite school (currently seen mainly in South and Eastern Asia) teaches that no physical punishment is warranted.

The Hanabalites, (widely followed in the Arab world) teach that severe punishment is warranted.

The Sha'fi school of thought (also seen in the Arab world) requires a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act. Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals have been performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army.

http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm

 

Can we agree that Modern Secular Humanism (Dawkins/Harris) is a more compassionate belief system than Islam?

 

maybe we can learn from history, what did Christians do to stop the inquisitions? maybe Muslims could do the same thing?

 

Hundreds of years passed, THAT'S what! But with Iranian and Pak nukes, we can't wait very long before NY harbor (or Tel Aviv) "go mushroom".

 

There is no such a thing as "moderate" and "extremist" Muslim/Islam. This is a fitting concept. Islam is Islam and Muslim is Muslim. There are just persons who claims they are Muslims but they cant even pass close to Islam and there are persons who is real Muslims.

To get the correct answer, you need to ask the correct question. ISIS is not the problem of only Muslims but its problem of all the World.

How we could stop them. First thing, no terror organization could achive to survive without big (really big) external supports. Supports big as Russia, big as USA, big as Britain, big as France. Firstly, we need to stop these external supports to stop ISIS.

 

a 10+ year war with Iran would end about the same as a 10+ year war with Iraq

sadly not sure what else we can do other then what we are doing, playing Whac-A-Mole and killing them whenever they pop their heads up

 

Iran is even enduring sanctions to get nukes. NUKES will change the equation. Not today, but w/in 5 years.

 

I did not say that you were, simply that was one group that I always despise.

You however do appear to be Theomisia, which is a group I also listed. If you wear the hat...

 

but what to do about it, we can't afford another full out 10+ year war, Bush weakened us in that area

and it did not help Iraq in the long run anyways imo


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The claim is not that its the sole responsibility of muslims.

The question was, what are the "moderate" muslims doing to control their barbaric violent brethren?

And as we can see in this thread, with all the muslim apologists dodging and making excuses, the "peace loving" muslims are not doing squat to stop their brothers from raping, murdering, and torturing by the 1,000's.

The "peace loving" muslims are all wrapped up over some mythical "islamophobia" and are worried about someone not liking them or not wanting to fly on the same plan as muslims, but the burying of children alive doesn't seem to get "peace loving" muslims much upset.

 

Yes, and it will make it necessary for Israel to wipe them out, since the rest of the world had no balls and kept waffling and making apologies for being weak in the face of a dire existential threat that could have easily been taken care of years before, with little effort. Then the usual cretins who created that political environment will deny any responsibility for that and babble endlessly on and on about their usual nonsense and how 'everybody else' caused the problems.

 

For over a decade Bibi has been claiming that Iran is "6 months away" from having a nuke.. Israel bombed both Syria and Iraq.. The Iranians are well aware from that.