What is the reason for our economic problems?

Discussion in 'Economics & Trade' started by Anders Hoveland, Aug 19, 2012.

?

Which of these are contributing to our economic problems?

  1. free trade agreements, outsourcing jobs

    50.0%
  2. national debt

    43.8%
  3. immigration

    37.5%
  4. growing inequality

    37.5%
  5. excessive taxation / government waste

    68.8%
  6. national central banks / Federal Reserve / bailouts

    43.8%
  7. western wealth being transferred away to developing countries

    25.0%
  8. scarcity of oil

    6.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,044
    Likes Received:
    138
    Trophy Points:
    0
    In many of our countries, wages are going down and more people are becoming unemployed.
    Everyone agrees there is a serious problem, but no one can agree what exactly the causes are.
    We cannot fully begin solving the problem until we know what the causes are.

    Take the survey and share what you think. You can mark more than one answer.
     
  2. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    1) Minority handouts
    2) Jewish bankers

    Did I miss something?
     
  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,312
    Likes Received:
    63,472
    Trophy Points:
    113
    this is the number one issue "free trade agreements, outsourcing jobs"
     
  4. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    How do you calculate that?
     
  5. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You should also add "consumer culture". Westerners have been brainwashed through TV to waste their money on crap.
     
  6. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 18, 2009
    Messages:
    30,444
    Likes Received:
    6,429
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm actually shocked, considering the OP's normal level of posting, that the "blacks and Jews" choice wasn't in the poll.
     
  7. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    But you're not going to try to disprove it? Just dismiss it as "hate" or something.
     
  8. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    There is plenty of wealth in the U.S. It's just that it gets taxed and handed out to parasites, conned by Jewish banks, and the bought out government actually bails out these con banks when their pyramid schemes collapse.

    A sound government would lock them up indefinitely.

    Furthermore the Fed, which is privately run by Jews with no audit, prints your money, as much as they want, and hands it out to their Jew banker buddies. How does that make you feel citizen?
     
  9. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,044
    Likes Received:
    138
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Congress is just as much to blame. The Federal Reserve would never be able to print so much money if it were not for the government getting into so much debt. Half the bank notes (money) issued by the Federal Reserve are backed with USA Treasury debt. The government has already borrowed over 1 trillion dollars from the Federal Reserve bank. I wonder where all the interest on this debt goes?
     
  10. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    39,883
    Likes Received:
    2,144
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Neo-liberalism created the current crisis. Try and solve it with Georgism!
     
  11. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    25,739
    Likes Received:
    684
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Americans generally are poorly educated and their labor costs are uncompetitive. Thus, America has no economic advantages any longer.
     
  12. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,044
    Likes Received:
    138
    Trophy Points:
    0
    There sure are plenty of unemployed American engineers and scientists. What type of jobs exactly do you think Americans need to be educated to do?
     
  13. Liberalis

    Liberalis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2012
    Messages:
    2,432
    Likes Received:
    93
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Anyone who points to outsourcing as a problem must also believe the millions of jobs outsourced to the United States are a problem. The number of jobs we get through outsourcing is higher than those we allegedly "lose."
     
  14. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    25,739
    Likes Received:
    684
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Look at Silicon Valley in California as an example. There are plenty of jobs available for highly educated and highly skilled people. But a lot of those jobs can't be filled by Americans. They have been educated in American public schools. That means they don't have the background necessary to qualify for those jobs. So in order to fill the jobs the companies import Indians and Chinese who haven't been disabled by contact with American public schools. I know this because one of my sons runs audit teams for one of the Big Four auditing high tech companies in San Jose, Mountain View, Palo Alto, Campbell, Cupertino, Sunnyvale, Milpitas and Santa Clara.
     
  15. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,044
    Likes Received:
    138
    Trophy Points:
    0
    There are plenty of underemployed computer programmers in the USA. Perhaps you are suggesting they all move to Silicon Valley?
     
  16. ballantine

    ballantine Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2009
    Messages:
    5,297
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Horsepucky.

    First of all, what happens overseas is not outsourcing. They come here, remember? If it were outsourcing they wouldn't come and we would have the jobs.

    Secondly, prove your assertion. Do you have a link or can you please quote the numbers?
     
  17. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I think those who say outsourcing is a significant factor should be first to demonstrate.
     
  18. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    39,883
    Likes Received:
    2,144
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Standard corruption of zero sum game bobbins! Labour mobility generates economic opportunity.

    Its basic economics. Outsourcing is essentially a means to achieve all available comparative advantage gains
     
  19. Anikdote

    Anikdote Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Messages:
    15,844
    Likes Received:
    182
    Trophy Points:
    63
    0/10

    Bad poll options skewed towards your anti-trade nonsense. Economic nationalism is a tired old hat, though thankfully someone was nice enough to demonstrate that at least some aspect of it is driven by discrimination.
     
  20. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    China and Japan practice economic nationalism and their economy is taking over.

    The U.S. is practicing "let's all hold hands and pretend nobody is concerned for their ethnic interests" and their economy is in the crapper and getting worse.

    You are this: wrong.

    And how is economic nationalism "anti-trade"? What a ridiculous strawman.
     
  21. Anikdote

    Anikdote Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Messages:
    15,844
    Likes Received:
    182
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Taking over what? In either case you're just flat wrong. Japan and China are both in the top 5 in regards to international trade.

    We don't get rich trading with ourselves and only hurt ourselves in attempts to do so.
     
  22. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 18, 2009
    Messages:
    30,444
    Likes Received:
    6,429
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Riiight. It had NOTHING to do with the disastrous effects of "Supply Side" economics, the bludgeoning of unions, the MASSIVE and ever-growing 'defense' budget or a gutted tax system that lets multinats dump risk on the people while keeping most of the profit.

    No, it's none of that, it's the blacks and the Jews...
     
  23. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Japan and China practice economic nationalism. This is not mutually exclusive to trade. This is what you seem to not understand. They trade when it is in their benefit to do so. That is economic nationalism.
     
  24. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    So can you name some of these multinats that dump risk on people while keeping most of the profit? Which are the worst? Why do we have such a massive defence budget? Nothing to do with Israel?

    I'm not sure "supply side economics" is a major factor, nor the unions.
     
  25. Anikdote

    Anikdote Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Messages:
    15,844
    Likes Received:
    182
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Obviously not enough to keep them out of the top 5...

    Umm... that's what we all do, we wouldn't be willing to trade if there was nothing to be gained by us. There is, and always will be.

    Nope, economic nationalism.

    IOW, fanboys for bad policies.
     

Share This Page