What is wrong with abortion in the early stages of pregnancy?

Let me clarify for you:

A zygote is not a living human

A stage of development is not a living human

You understand now ?


Still waiting for a strait answer from Whaler trying to clarify his claim so we can move on. He does not want to answer of course because he knows that his zygote claim will be proven to be a logical fallacy.

Whaler: Is this what you claim or not ?

1) "A human being exists at the start of its life (when it becomes alive)"

 

Nice site. The description did not mention that the zygote is a human in that definition. Of course, this is not to say that it isn't human. Let's use your very same dictionary that you love so much to define "human development"; yes?

Wait... I'm sorry. What's that?

Oh that's right... from your own source... okay thank you

 

Inconsistency much?

 

It's your source


http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Human_development

 

I am pro choice, however, having said that, I don't believe that abortion is a good method of birth control.

 

I almost spit my coke on the keyboard. Thank you for that. This guy doesn't have a clue what he is talking about!

 

Then.......why are you pro abortion? (there is no such thing as "pro choice" in reality)

 

Asked and answered. Reading comprehension, get some. BTW your own source proves you wrong above so give it up, your nonsense has been decimated.

 

A human being does grow and mature "from" a single-cell.

The study of human development studies all aspects of the development of human life.

This does not mean that the single cell is a classified as a living human by human developmental biologists.

I have posted views from developmental biologists on the topic if you are interested. None I have found claim that a zygote is a human/person.

 

This is such complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*)!!!

You have contradicted yourself repeatedly and now you post this peice of nonsense? Unbeleivable.

You have REPEATEDLY denied that a single celled zygote grows into a human being, now you post this? AMAZING hypocricy!

 

Subject: A human being
Verb: grows and matures

A human being grows and matures.

This is a sentence. The verb describes the action of the subject. Who grows and matures? The human being grows and matures. No, that does not mean that the human being is actually not a human being at the beginning of the growing and maturing. The human being grows and matures.

from a single-celled zygote into an adult.

This is called a "prepositional phrase" (big word, I know). This adds extra detail.

A human being grows and matures from a single-celled zygote into an adult.

What grows and matures from a single-celled zygote into an adult? A human being (the subject).

Hope you learned how to read... let me know when you have trouble again

 

Not only has the OP failed to present a convincing argument that a zygote is indeed a living human, if a zygote was a "human being" it still boils down to symantecs. A woman's body is not a factory. The rights of an entity with the potential to become a human being, that may or may not value their life anyway, should not supersede the rights of an actual woman.

This potential human does not have the right to risk the life of a woman. In fact, an actual human does not have the right to risk the life of a woman.

Assume a woman is driving down the road in a risky area. She has locked her doors and taken all the necessary precautions. Still, she is hijacked at gunpoint. This hijacker has no other fault other than his greedy wish to life. In order to live, the hijacker requires the mutual use of the driver's organs. Most likely, she will survive, but there is risk of death and regardless she will carry the burden of this trauma with her for the rest of her life. I suppose you think this hijacker, an actual human being, has this right?

By the way, I wonder how many pro-lifers are organ donors or have even been tested to determine if they're a match? Very few, I'm willing to bet.

 

To beleive this you would have had to ignore nearly ALL the posts here.

Which is why nearly ALL pro lifers agree that self defense should be allowed as a justification for abortion. You are fighting a non existent fight.

This is a faulty analogy because being robbed is not a natural consequence of drving down a road. Getting pregnant is an obvious risk and a natural consequence of sexual intercourse.

Most are I bet. I know I am! When you have to demonize your opponents in a debate, that is a sure sign that you are on the weak side.

 

One thing that just becomes more and more apparent as the threads progress is that the pro abortion side simply cannot debate on the merits of abortion. They frequently run off on tangents like trying to speculate on the oppositions motives, or outright calling them evil people who just want to punish someone.

I have posted some speculation on their motives hoping they would see that it has nothing to do with the merits of abortion or lack thereof, but they missed the point. Oh well.

 

Actually, I think the poll results, that you apparently had faith in at the time you created the thread, speak volumes.

If it's in "self-defense", as you say, you're effectively stating that the zygote indeed attacks the body of the mother. This parasite also jeopardizes the life of a mother in other ways rather than physically and no woman should be forced to endure this.

I suppose you believe humans exist outside nature? I hate to be the one to break the news, but humans belong to the kingdom Animalia and as such are part of nature. Women do not always get pregnant when they have sex....people aren't always hijacked when they drive a vehicle.

Well, I'm an organ donor, but not a kidney donor or a bone marrow transplant donor...nor would I consider myself demonic for not being such. I thought it was a question worthy of folks to ask themselves...I wouldn't assume most would bother to respond if they were indeed hypocritical. I'm sorry you feel demonized...didn't realize I had that power over you

 

Actually I commend you actually presenting a piece of evidence that does seem to support your case prima facie (on the surface).

The key word in the sentence is "as" "as the human being grows" and I think this does seem to support your case.

This is a first ! Sorry Whaler but you have presented nothing so far.

Do you have anything else in support of your argument ?

 

Very rarely do I see posters on this forum admit defeat. A rep worthy response... and you've earned my respect

 

Well you have demonstrated repeatedly that you cannot recognize proof when you see it, in some cases by posting links that oppose your opinion claiming they support it, so there is no need to take anything you say seriously.

 

BTW, I posted a simlar post earlier educating you on what an adjective and a noun are, and demonstrating that all your prior posts were nonsense. You were just too proud to admit defeat then. I am proud of you for maturing enough to admit it now.

 

I appreciate your comments .. I think "defeat" is going a bit far but you did provide one piece of support.

Dictionary definitions do not really give the why .. and this is important as there are many biologists that claim the zygote is not "a living human"/person although there is a faction that argues "based on Genetics" that the zygote is "a human"

To my question though .. do you have anything else to say in support of your claim that the zygote is a living human or do you think that this one definition is enough ?

 

Pride has nothing to do with the fact that most of your arguments have been logical fallacies.

Libertarian presented an interesting definition, and, as you can see when someone presents something of merit .. I will not do what you do and ignore it.

You have presented nothing of merit so far Whaler.

 

I get that a lot from people who have no logical rebuttal to my assertions, no worries.

The poster you mention also agreed that abortion is homicide, it seems you are agreeing with him now? You might as well, your arguments to the contrary have all been thotroughly debunked.

 

I have rebutted all your assertions .. with logic !

Your latest claim (That because a zygote develops into a human means that it is a human) was quashed and you gave no rebuttal.

I have indicated no such agreement. I agreed that the wording he found in an online dictionary seemed to claim that the zygote was a human. A dictionary definition is not proof of much in the abortion debate because it does not give the "why".

You have not debunked any of my arguments, nevermind all of them.

Name one you have debunked ?

 

The proof that you are lying is in the fact that I never made that assertion at all. In fact, you admitted in a prior post that a zygote "grows into" a born human. This obviously shows that they are the same organism and debunks your idiocy that they are unrelated.

See above

 

This is hilarious .. you refute yourself in your own post LOL

"That a zygote grows into a born human obviously shows that they are the same organism"

How is this the meaning of this statment different than above.

What a joke.

In any case:

1)The fact that (Thing A) will grow into (Thing B) is not proof that B=A.

2) You have been shown to be at least disingenuous.. and at worst intentionally lying

what is laughable is that you can not even see that you refuted your own claim (that I was lying) in your post by claiming exactly what I said you had claimed.