What is wrong with abortion in the early stages of pregnancy?

Well little Johnny, you see when something "grows into" it is the same entity, it merely grows. An infant grows into an adult, and they are the same entity throughout the growth process, just as a zygote grows into an adult.

"That a zygote grows into a born human obviously shows that they are the same organism"

So are you NOW saying that a zygote is the same entity as the fetus, infant, toddler, adult he or she grows into? Because you have staunchly denied that repeatedly before.

Yuk it up, but you are looking awfully schizophrenic here.

well it certainly is in human biology!

Pot meet kettle.

What is so hilarious is that you think I did, when it is you who have debunked your own nonsense.


Your faux indignance and yukkking it up does not mask the fact that you debunked your own theory.


"Human development is the process of growing to maturity. In biological terms, this entails growth from a one-celled zygote to an adult human being."

Growth = development

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_development_(biology)

 

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From your link.

The zygote does not "grow" .. it reproduces

"That a zygote grows into a born human obviously shows that they are the same organism"

The evidence you provide refutes your own claim. What else needs be said ?


The zygote does not "grow" into a human.

Wrong again .. try reading your own links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_development_(biology)

 

So NOW you say that, when earlier you said that a zygote does.
I cannot play bipolar games with you anymore. Adios.








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_development_(biology)[/QUOTE]

 

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Its not my fault that you refute yourself in your own posts ?

The one definition (posted by someone else) that did "seem" to support your views was revised an longer supports your position.

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Human_development.

Note the use of the term "formation". The human is formed after the zygote.

As it stands you have zero support for your claims.

 

Its not my fault that you refute yourself in your own posts ?

The one definition (posted by someone else) that did "seem" to support your views was revised an longer supports your position. [/quote]

Ah but it is YOU who have refuted yourself, claiming first that a zygote "grows and develops into a grown human being" then later claiming the opposite. Pathetic try at deflection.

 

Ah but it is YOU who have refuted yourself, claiming first that a zygote "grows and develops into a grown human being" then later claiming the opposite. Pathetic try at deflection. [/QUOTE]

I said that, because A grows into B .. does not make A=B.

Sorry that you felt that was a claim on my part that a zygote grows into a human.

An easy mistake to make in any case.

As per your link .. we can both now use technically correct language.

The zygote does not "grow" into a human.

 

I think this question should be answered by each individual who is considering having an abortion. If you become pregnant, then ask yourself this question. Because only then does it mean anything. Nobody else's opinion should decide for you what is right or wrong.

For now, it is legal. That's reality.

I don't think the government should have a place in dictating the moral code of each individual person, but at the same time, I don't think it is the government's responsibility to fund abortions in any way.

 

Same with your baby after it is born? Nobody should interfere if youy decide to kill him/her?

But there are SERIOUS legal inconsistencies between legal abortion, fetal homicide laws, and the Federal Unborn Victims of Violence Act.

So we should repeal all murder laws? After all, isn't that the gov't dictating moral code by enforcing these?

 

Yes .. this is why your "abortion is homicide" argument is flawed.

Crimes such as murder theft and assult are crimes of one individual against another.

There is a difference between these types of crimes and "moral" crimes such as adultery, drug use and so on.

 

The question wasn't "What is wrong with murdering your child in the middle of the night because he talked back to you?"

And this has what to do with the fact that abortion in early stages is legal?

No, we all agree that murder is a bad thing therefore it is illegal to murder. I don't think you will get enough votes to repeal all murder laws. Do you?

The reason early stage abortion is legal is because for the most part we agree that it is not a crime. Until there are many who agree that aborting at an early stage is considered murder, then the laws will remain as they are. Democracy works that way.

MY belief is that early stage abortion is not murder. Your belief is probably that it is murder. Since early stage abortion is legal, my guess is that more people believe what I believe than what you believe.

 

And most of those that do believe abortion is murder do so on the basis of religion or ignorance of science.

 

No that is actually why it ISN'T Flawed, as I have pointed out repeatedly.

 

There is no difference, other than the born child apparently actually committed some sort of offense against you, where in an abortion you aer killing him/her just for existing!

 

I have proven you wrong on this REPERATEDLY!!!!

 

Yes, there is a big difference in the eyes of the law. One is murder, the other is not. Like I said earlier, until the law changes, you cannot argue this and be right.

 

The only thing you have proven REPEATEDLY !!! ... is that you lack basic logic skills and can provide no valid support for your claims.

 

So you think we are arguing over what the status quo is? Obviously that would be pointless. We are arguing over what the law SHOULD BE!

 

Well judging by your lashing out with a personal attack, I must have successfully shot down your "a zygote isn't human" nonsense.

SWEET!

 

The onus is on you to prove the zygote is "a human" .. and you have had no success at this.

 

Au contraire it has been proven repeatedly. You have failed to prove that a non human devlopes into a human. Most likely this is due to that being a fallacy.

 

I have never tried to LOL .. nor do I need to.

The zygote does not "develop" into a human .. the DNA in the zygote builds cells that will form a human.

Neither tha zygote .. nor the DNA are "a human"

 

Well every thinking person on the planet knows that is completely untrue.
You keep dodging my question about an animal organism changing species, as you claim a zygote does, so there is no need to follow your white rabbit down any more holes.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Giftedone
Not all organisms are animals (why I asked you to define your terms in the first place) .. but ok ..

Species:

1.A group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. The species is the principal natural taxonomic unit, ranking below a genus and denoted by a Latin binomial, e.g., Homo sapiens

Animal Taxonomy:

The field of animal systematics (or taxonomy) devises schemes for grouping (classification) and naming (nomenclature) animals


For example:
The classification of a familiar animal – the domestic dog — using the superdomain system:

Domain: Eukarya (cells with a nucleus)

Kingdom: Animalia (animal)

Phylum: Chordata (with backbone)

Class: Mammalia (hairy animals that nurse their young)

Order: Carnivora (mammals with sharp, pointed teeth)

Family: Canidae (dogs, wolves, foxes, coyotes, and jackals)

Genus: Canis (dogs, wolves, coyotes, and jackals)

Species: familiaris (dogs)

Notice that to make it into the club "species Dog" you have to first be a member of all the other clubs.

Notice that if you do a similar chart for homo sapiens .. we share the same phylum, class, and order with Dogs.

The zygote does not even make it into the same Kingdom .. and is classed as a single celled eukaryote.

Now to your question ..

Does a zygote grow into a human ?

The answer is no . .. the zygote lives its entire life as a single celled eukaryote (it does not change species )

Your argument is lost...

 

My argument is clearly won. You cannot show that the developing human being in the zygote stage is of another species.