What the virus has taught me (and maybe yourself as well)

The virus was running rampant in CA before anyone knew it was anything special. in short, it was just the flu until it became political. People had it, some had symptoms, some didn't. They all developed immunity after contracting it. Thus, the low numbers in CA. Socialists will want to control the population, Wuhan-virus or no Wuhan-virus. It's in their DNA, so yes, they want more people to die and more people to contract the disease because, as they say, the end (total control) justifies the means (genocide).

 

There is no honest, informed way of claiming that this is "just the flu." Please return to reality. This willing ignorance isn't funny and creates further risks.

 

You forgot to add the rest of the pandemics and flu deaths over the last 10 years.

 

Your arrogance is showing - this is not just about the US. This is a global event. Wake tf up.

 

It isn't going to stop being a fact just because it hurts your political agenda. Reality remains reality no matter how much crybaby Trump kicks and screams about it. Speaking of which, it was never "Trump's stellar economy." Not for anyone who can read a graph anyway . . . which I guess never applied to Trump's worshippers anyway. But the facts offend, so keep ignoring the facts. They have challenged the Dear Leader and must be avoided at all costs.

 

Which only has bering if you think that every single flu or pandemic exposure was contracted on pubic transport.

 

Emergency Rooms in major urban areas EMPTY. Number of COVID-19 cases admitted, FEW.
Where are all the dying and sick from COVID-19?

Exception: Blue. Where an admittance is worth up to $100,000 in Fed money per case.

Before you give some baseless retort...I challenge you to visit ANY emergency room and look around. I DID. EMPTY !!
I spoke with emergency room physicians and nurses.....they have seen VERY FEW cases involving COVID-19. Hard to hide from facts.

COVID-19.......Mostly in your mind.
Have "Some" died from COVID-19? About the same number that have died from the regular FLU or less. More have died from coronary disease during the same time....no sympathy or press coverage for all those?

Like I said, GO VISIT EMERGENCY ROOMS, then get back to us.
But please, don't come back after seeing how empty they are claiming that they burned all those who caught it like some COVID-19 alarmists kooks have done.

We're getting bad,,,,but we're not China yet.

 

My brother in law is a paramedic. My mom is a hospital worker. I hear what the emergency rooms are like every day from the people who have direct contact instead on the denialist kooks you rely on. But don't let a silly thing like facts get in the way of your fringe political agenda. Also, maybe one day look at the actual number of people dead from the disease. You never will because it challenges your political dogma, but if you feel like being intellectually honest one day, you can try it on for size. Cheer, hun.

 

I work for a major hospital in New Mexico, we get a covid update everyday. While the major population centers are doing ok now we are seeing big jumps in the north western part of the state. If the rate of infection doesn't decrease soon we are expecting to need to transport patients into Albuquerque/Santa Fe.
You should be thankful for your anecdotal empty ER's. I think it's beyond question due to locking things down.

 

Their religious belief was never based on evidence, so no evidence will never change their mind, unfortunately.

 

You kinda supported my point.
You did NOT say Emergency Rooms were full of COVID-19 patients. They are not.

Good thing.

That said, I see a wave of problems coming for millions of patients who did not receive timely care for diabetes and a million other potentially life threatening issues that were put off because of COVID-19 hysteria and over blown reports.
How many times has the projected death count been revised down?

 

Anything to avoid looking at the actual number of deaths. Deflect at all costs. The Dear Leader requires it.

 

Stop being evasive and silly and say exactly what you mean. provide some backing data if you have any.
Thanks

The number of actual deaths is highly subjective. Most resulting from comorbidity with pre existing conditions from something else and covid-19 just tipped them past the point of no return.
Most of these patients were already very weak and at risk before covid-19
I would take a WAG that MAYBE 25,000 have died exclusively due to covid-19

As I said, I have BEEN INSIDE a major urban ER in the last few weeks and spoke with medical personnel. VERY FEW cases of COVID-19.
Have you?

It's a hoax. Perhaps the best one ever. If impeachment had worked I can assure you this "pandemic" would not have come along.

 

There is nothing "subjective" about being dead. You are either dead or you aren't. Your made-up "WAG" numbers are pure fantasy and have no basis in reality. Those of use concerned with reality have no reason to listen to your admittedly made-up numbers. Yes, I have spoken with medical personnel, as I've already explained and you ran away from. Your fantasy is cute, but it is no basis for reality. We can't just ignore reality because of your active fantasy life, especially when lives are on the line. Come to terms with reality.

 

1. That this is a "major global pandemic" is a lie, proven irrefutably as such by the outrageously inaccurate/corrupt models and fudging of death counts DOCUMENTED in many "hard hit" areas of the world while mysteriously, effectively NO ONE DIES in many other industrialized countries.

Most importantly, the models have changed, and changed drastically anyone not knowing that, knows it now, any one repeating the misinformation from inaccurate models hereafter is a purposeful liar. Anyone trying to cite to lump, rigged nationwide death tolls as opposed to local numbers is a purposeful liar swinging a red herring. Most of us do not live in NY or NJ. Things are and WILL REMAIN different in those areas. Don't let liars get away with lying otherwise. There is NO evidence for their lies. INSIST on your LOCAL data and results, the U.S. is a huge country. Don't let fear-porn liars try to tar your area with Sopranos NY NJ "data" towards political gain.

2. Not removing or severely reducing all NY and NJ results from the rest of the country's results and still calling this some kind of global pandemic affecting the U.S. in toto is a lie of omission. In the vast majority of U.S. population centers small to large, hell almost ALL of them, Corona as some kind of killer virus DID NOT HAPPEN. Anyone who persists in telling you that -your- unaffected area should be treated like public-union-Democrat run NY or NJ is not only a LIAR but a CRIMINAL advocating crimes and violence against you, your family and friends.

3. That this is a major cause of death in this country is also a lie. Remove the five big blue cities from the fluffed up death toll leaders and it becomes immediately apparent that this is AT BEST a localized outbreak of a bad flu-like illness that coincidentally occurs only in large, corrupt blue cities run by unions and bureaucrats. 99% of the geographical area of the U.S. has been all but untouched by Corona... unlike real pandemics of the past. Fact.

4. Finally, there is no shred of scientific evidence that "social distancing" and other bureaucratic, "ancient aliens" level mitigation is anything other than a useful, demoralizing piece of agitprop JARGON. NO SCIENCE! Real scientists, not corrupt bureaucrats and the seditious media, almost universally agree that quarantining the healthy is complete HOODOO, and getting the healthy out, unencumbered, while any at risk are the only segregated.

 

The cause of death is what I was referring to. Sorry you couldn't understand that.
My number may be proven out later...let's wait and see.

At least I'm honest enough to upfront say they were my guesses. Sorry you don't find honesty of value.

btw....you used so many unnecessary superlatives, exaggerations and adjectives in your response I had trouble deciphering your meaning.
If your emotions simmer down, please come back with a solid argument. I'll be glad to hear it.

 

Further proof that certain factions are incapable of addressing or even acknowledging objective facts whenever they feel their hero worship is challenged. Truth > Trump. I know that is offensive, but it remains true.

 

The fact that you need to have every medical professional in the world adopt a new standard of cause of death and/or complications should tell you that there is a problem with your position. I understood your claim, it is just that it had more to do with worship of the Dear Leader than it did for respect of the truth. I prefer the later. If you let your emotions simmer down, you'll understand what I'm talking about. I'll be glad to hear it.

 

I hope one day you see the light. I honestly believe you are being misled.
I'm not a trump "worshipper" by the way. There's some things he's done that I am very upset about.

I was a registered Democrat most of my life. But an honest evaluation, after filtering out the blather, caused me to change my position.
(I actually don't care much for either mainstream party)

Anyway overall, I do believe much of what he's done is in Americas best interests.
That said, I too wish sometimes that he'd just shut it.
Try to think about America as a community of which you are a part and depend on.
We REALLY need to come together before it's too late.

 

The facts are not in your favor. The data and projections have changed, they are clear, and the amount of knowledge and preparedness is massively different than a month ago. New models prevail, we should be happy about that whether it suits your LW political goals or not. You can either accept the currently prevailing science that has been rehashed and posted pervasively on this forum (most of it utterly ignored by you and yours), persist in your anti-scientific, self-serving politics in print for all to see, or do what I know what you will do and yammer out nationwide stats over and over, applicable only to specific areas and not to the whole country where different eventualities prevail.

 

Except that the Stanford study made leftists heads spin, a sure sign that facts were exposed since leftists and facts are like oil and water.

 

Coming together would be great. Stipulating Trump worship as a condition for that coming together is insane. Ignoring biological reality because it is inconvenient is insane. Coming together needs to involve acknowledging reality. If you want to come together, start with acknowledging the reality of the virus.

 

Sweetie, your fake arguments would go a lot farther if you could actually articulate what "facts" are not in my favor. You can keep making **** up about "prevailing science," but you should actually try addressing it one day.

 

Are you able to articulate what it is that you are talking about and relate it to our conversation? Will it take another week? Another month? Next year?

 

Some of your reply seems unreasonable. nowhere did I suggest anyone should "worship" trump. Why would you imply that I said that when I did not?

I agree the virus is real.
I disagree with the fatalistic fear mongering.
It simply hasn't been as fatal as some wanted us to believe.
Most of the death toll is from Blue states. Why is that? Are they exaggerating or is everyone else hiding deaths?

Perhaps later this year when things settle down and the whole story comes out you will re think your position.

I can hope.