What the virus has taught me (and maybe yourself as well)

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Two things have become increasingly clear to me since all this exploded in March/ Maybe you have noticed as well:

    A. People are too easily driven by fear campaigns and
    B. People are too susceptible to allowing others to think for them

    The conclusion shouldn't be difficult to believe. We allow Google, Amazon and Apple to think for us everyday, talking to our devices as if they are living beings. Therefore, not only are we already bugged by spyware but we are already under mind control. It's a combination of these two things that have allowed the stay-at-home orders to live as long as they have, when critical thinking would take those orders behind the barn and shoot it, that or the results show its dead on arrival. Critical thinking dies where hyperbole flourishes. Fear campaigns can be as simple as signs on the turnpike reading, "Stay Home, Save A Life."

    Anyone who has a clue about viruses knows staying home doesn't mean a life will be saved. Viruses can travel further than 6 feet, so social distancing is redundant. This said, a critical thinker would be drawn to the conclusion that none of these states with orders that have strapped peoples hands behind their backs was ever necessary, with a lack of credibility in the White House guidelines. Remember the old saying, "If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it must be a duck."

    And its sure been a duck quacking like Chicken Little.
     
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    This is a major global pandemic. Anyone capable of acknowledging reality knows this. It is now a major cause of death in this country . . . one of the biggest causes of death, in fact. Yes, social distancing is saving lives. Please consult anyone . . . literally anyone with any kind of factual, medical knowledge on the subject instead of subjugating the truth to your political agenda.
     
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    That this is a "major global pandemic" is a lie, proven irrefutably as such by the outrageously inaccurate/corrupt models and fudging of death counts DOCUMENTED in many "hard hit" areas of the world while mysteriously, effectively NO ONE DIES in many other industrialized countries.This disease is the very definition of "localized." Fact. And a strong prime facie case for massive scale corruption is all but complete.

    That this is a major cause of death in this country is also a lie. Remove the five big blue cities from the fluffed up death toll leaders and it becomes immediately apparent that this is AT BEST a localized outbreak of a bad flu-like illness that coincidentally occurs only in large, corrupt blue cities run by unions and bureaucrats. 99% of the geographical area of the U.S. has been all but untouched by Corona... unlike real pandemics of the past. Fact.

    Add in the recently disclosed outrageous, bizarro world CRIMINALITY of purposefully putting NY Covid patients into nursing homes with healthy patients and more pieces begin to fall into place. How many of NY's already CDC-scam inflated deaths were due to such? Such obscene policies leading to massively outsized casualties does not a "pandemic" make, just typical government a) corruption, and/or b) incompetence... no "c" answer.

    Finally, there is no shred of scientific evidence that "social distancing" is anything other than a useful, demoralizing piece of agitprop JARGON. NO SCIENCE! Real scientists, not corrupt bureaucrats and the seditious media, almost universally agree that quarantining the healthy is complete HOODOO, and getting the healthy out, unencumbered, while any at risk are the only segregated.
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    You're cute. "If you only count the cow pastures and the wheat fields, then hardly anybody has died!"
     
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    Anyone not skeptical of the official statistics, is probably not a critical thinker.
     
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    Sanskrit Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the block quote and the inane, hyperbolic "pastures and wheat fields" mischaracterization of 99% of the geography of the country. It's always helpful when your posts invalidate themselves without much effort on my part.
     
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    You realize that only 3% of the land mass of the US actually holds human habitats. So when you claim that most of the geographic area of the US hasn't been hit with Covid-19, you are mostly describing empty land.

    So try again.
     
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    I'll take all the cities in the U.S. other than the top 5 COVID cities for $500, Alex.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

    Then we can tally up what a "global pandemic" and "major cause of death in the country" this fizzled into. But keep up the good fight! Ballot harvesting is just around the corner, just two more weeks!

    I said "localized," that's -exactly- what I meant. That is -exactly- what this version of the flu is, and haven't you learned yet that I usually don't play these games until I already know I'm correct?

    Thanks for playing!
     
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    I've never believed the 6' thing is actually safe. It most likely was arrived at by concluding that more than 6' is just not practical in a modern society, so leave it at 6' and call it good to go.
     
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    In other late breaking news, if you refuse to count tens of thousands of Americans that died from Covid-19, then the number of US fatalities associated with Covid-19 drops by tens of thousands.
     
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    Viruses being able to travel more than 6 feet does not mean that you are likely to get the virus from someone who is more than 6 feet away. The reason for social distancing is because nearly all of the virus from an infected person will not travel further than six feet.

    I also don't see any actual attempt at an argument for why the pandemic control measures "was ever necessary." Would you like to make one?
     
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    Looks real localized...to the places where people live

    upload_2020-4-29_2-20-19.png

    I do see plenty of area over in the deserts of Nevada where you could find some non-localized viral infections though.
     
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    Compare Los Angeles deaths to New York's. Why is NY's so high compared to LA?
     
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    This virus has a ~.5% death rate. Stop being a fear monger and getting your information from the liberal media. Look at an actual study.
     
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    Very nice; except for one thing. You put the blame on the Oval Office instead of the DNC controlled Mainstream Media, which deliberately spooked this notion into a panic for political reasons. At a certain point in the national panic attack Trump's hands were tied by the sheer power of public pressure. The lockdown occurred and the economy crashed and burned because the DNC wanted it to happen. They knew that if this happened and if people were stupid enough to let them blame it on Trump then -- and only then -- was there even a remote chance of getting obviously senile Joe Biden into the presidency.
     
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    Interesting map. Do you have a link? It's something I might follow.

    Of course, in some ways it is misleading......but that's the nature of trying to figure out the most accurate way to track this thing. But, for example, there are a couple of counties in Florida with almost no cases (one county literally has only 1 case, and there are others with <10 cases) but they're colored orange for "steady" which looks worse than the pale yellow for "declining", but when you've only got a handful of cases (or literally only 1 case) "steady" really doesn't mean as much. But whatever. Just thinking out loud :) At least our worst county (Dade) is on the decline.
     
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    Or maybe it suits your political agenda?

    IT WAS A HOAX all designed to hurt President Trumps stellar economy. PERIOD. China has trillions to gain by hurting Trump.

    FAR LESS than is being reported have died specifically and only from COVID-19. Most deaths were due to complications like diabetes where they were already sick.
    Only a few have did 100% because of the virus according to MANY valid sources. Even NYC admitted as much.
    Huge money was made off of hospital admissions (the motivation)

    please, consult anyone or any source, other than the ones you already do because they are biased heavily.
     
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    Liberals never like it when you use their "critical thinking" against them....
     
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    "That had been previously demonstrated in laboratory experiments, but now Chinese scientists studying real-world conditions report that they captured tiny droplets containing the genetic markers of the virus from the air in two hospitals in Wuhan, China, where the outbreak started. It remains unknown if the virus in the samples they collected was infectious, but droplets that small, which are expelled by breathing and talking, can remain aloft and be inhaled by others.

    'Those are going to stay in the air floating around for at least two hours,' said Linsey Marr, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech who was not involved with the Nature paper. 'It strongly suggests that there is potential for airborne transmission.'

    Dr. Marr and many other scientists say evidence is mounting that the coronavirus is being spread by tiny droplets known as aerosols. The World Health Organization has so far downplayed the possibility, saying that the disease is mostly transmitted through larger droplets that do not remain airborne for long, or through the touching of contaminated surfaces."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...n-wuhan-hospitals/ar-BB13kV91?ocid=spartandhp

    Wait for it. WHOre is going to be wrong again and more bad news is coming. EVERYBODY is going to get the corona, the weak in the high risk categories are going to die, and the strong are going to survive.
     
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    Sure.

    https://covidcast.cmu.edu/
     
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    There are fewer "actual studies" that put the mortality rate at ~0.5% than their are "actual studies" that put the mortality rate north of 2%.

    But even if you accept that 0.5% is the correct rate, that is still 5x more lethal than the seasonal flu.
     
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    Due to previously stated and ignored factors such as the irrefutable gross ineptitude and possible corruption of the models, there is no epidemic if results across the planet, and for our purposes, in the U.S., are not remotely uniform. Instead, deadly outlier effects (in comparison to seasonal flu and flu-like-illness) of Covid are localized, NOT "epidemic," making "one size fits all" mitigation attempts ridiculous, and in a vast majority of U.S.cities and towns, UNLAWFUL and WRONGFUL, in fact far more deadly and damaging than the LOCALIZED effects on a FEW, SPECIFIC types of locales. Removing the few (5) most affected urban areas across a whole vast country to contrast with many relatively unaffected cities and towns, to get a more accurate assessment of the risks across the REST of the country should drive the point home even for someone such as yourself.
     
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    NY is more densely populated and relies more on public transportation (subway) and this time
    of year, they have more people with coughing and sneezing from colds because of the weather. Ain't rocket science.
     
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    Again, if you refuse to count tens of thousands of Covid-19 related deaths, then the total amount of covid-19 related deaths drops by tens of thousands.

    The notion that this virus will suddenly stop spreading in those less sparsely populated areas simply because the five hardest hit areas in other parts of the country implement pandemic control measures is laughable and completely devoid of logic.
     
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    So, in your mind, this is simply a self inflicted wound?
     
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