What to do with unwanted children?

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  1. Gdawg007

    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    It's a tough question, for sure.

    But mostly those who oppose abortion, what should we, as a society, do for those children whose parents don't want them?

    Using this data point, in 2017 there were 862,000 abortions in 2017.

    https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2019...gain-state-abortion-restrictions-are-not-main

    The link talks a lot about what may or may not have caused the decline from 2011. I'm glad its declining and the reasons why to me are secondary.

    I don't know the ratio of medically motivated abortions versus non-medically motivated are. That is, an abortion was performed to save the life of the mother. I'm guessing those are the minority? So let's say 80% are so called "elective" abortions. That means that in 2017 there were 689,600 fewer people born.

    What we would do with them if their parents didn't want them? Can our current adoption process handle the influx of what's effectively the population of Washington DC? Who is going to support and raise those children if the biological parents don't want them? If the biological parents are forced to keep them, how will that affect the child? Is the previous question ever a consideration for those who are anti-choice? These are all genuine questions, not poking the bear type questions, so I'd appreciate genuine answers.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A fetus is not a child. End of discussion.
     
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    We’re pretty covered up in people as it is, many of them well below average intelligence. Maybe let’s try not to make Idiocracy a film about history.
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    I thought it was well known that children put up for adoption are raised by the government in large facilities, then they're kicked out onto the street when they turn 16/18 years old. Is that not the case? Here's your chance to prove me wrong.
     
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    Every dime wasted on anti-abortion campaigns and lawsuits and marches could have been spent on housing, medical, and education
    for the thousands of BORN children who really need help. That would be the "pro-life" thing to do.
     
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    Wherever in the world there are white people of European ancestry the population is declining dramatically and has been for several years. The death rate is by far exceeding the birth rate. We need every live birth we can handle if we we want to remain as a species. The Japanese are also dying off as far more die than are being born, there are hundreds of empty houses rotting in place in Japan with no one to; occupy them. China is also seeing a decline in their population. All of this declining population may very well be traced back to the two working parent economies which have been born out of WW2 when more and more women joined the workforce, which has only accelerated ever since, due to economic necessity.
     
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    The world is doomed anyways so does it matter?

    So many homeless already it's becoming a norm.
     
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    We are not anywhere CLOSE to dying off as a species.
     
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    You will have to show me where the human species is in trouble. Of all the "large" animals, we are one of the most populous. There are just less than a billion cows on Earth, and nearly 7 billion people, so...I think we're doing OK.

    That said, you didn't address my questions, but rather pivoted to theories of your own that basically blame your alleged problem on women having to work. Not sure if you have a means to link that back to, how would we, in the US alone, pay for an 700,000 children? What mechanism should we use if you claim we need all 700,000 of those births to survive? They will NOT pay for themselves, at least, not the first 18 years or so of life. More so, children need more than just money to grow up to be healthy and productive.
     
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    Ish. The US has a foster care system as well as facilities for children not in a foster home, but there are too few quality foster homes and too many children, at least, that's the problems I've heard. The second question you must ask is, what quality of life do children in that situation have? Will they grow up to be productive? How many will turn to drugs to cope with potential issues they will face? And isn't that crime? And that crime is costly to the US tax payer?
     
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    The birth rate for all races and ethnicities in the USA is well below replacement rate and has been for at least a decade. Male sperm viability is greatly reduced not just here in the USA but also in most European countries, thus far science doesn't know why. Abortions have declined along with live births.
     
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    Russia is now paying couples to have children because they are alarmed at their declining birth rate.
     
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    In other news the homosexual population has seen a triple increase in the last decade.

    Guess nobody remembered they can't breed.
     
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    The post that you responded to does not discuss whether a fetus is a child or not. Therefore your statement is irrelevant.
     
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    One would first have to believe that abortions laws could be enforced. They would create a market for black market abortions, abortion drugs, and medical tourism, but would not create any unwanted children.

    If they existed, I would assume their life would be like those in the system now.
     
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    Assuming that’s even true...does that bother you?
     
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    Our species dying out?

    Not really
     
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    Does it both you that the homosexual population has tripled in the last decade? Yes or no.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Never thought about it.
     
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    Uh huh...sure thing.
     
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    There was a time when we had solutions to these problems and for some reason we seemed to have forgotten them.

    Orphanages. Lots and lots of orphanages.
     
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    Let’s just use them as cat food.

    Sorry, couldn’t resist! :banana:
     
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    I wrote a paper once on Nazi experimentation on humans and when going to sorce it I found that all of the information has been sealed.

    The paper was on whether it's ethical to use Nazi research for technological advances now.

    For instance there are some cold weather gear manufacturers who would like to see their research on freezing living humans to make better protective equipment but they are not allowed access to it.
     
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    Why is adoption so expensive? I have friends who have adopted babies. It costs tens of thousands in most cases to get a newborn. I might have adopted a child if it wasn't so expensive. The other option is to be a foster parent and then you get the "problem children". I know a couple who have been fostering a crack baby for the last couple of years. I haven't seen them in a few months, but I think they may be adopting him.
     
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