What was Moses talking about?

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  1. Logician0311

    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    Discuss God's eternal love...
     
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    Its very unlikely that there was any Moses or an Exodus.. This is a history of the Jews.. and sort of a narrative on the way that tribes thought and behaved .. I sure wouldn't agonize over it.

    The epic battles with huge armies never happened.. Its self-aggrandizing fiction.
     
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    In other words, it's "Biblical". :)
     
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    You would have to ask Moses. Comments from anyone else would be merely opinion.
     
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    If you will discuss Truman's two atom bomb drops on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Were they justified? Were not women and children killed indiscriminately, in mass numbers? Discuss Truman's love for the US ...

    If Truman was justified in defending his people against the Japanese, was not God justified in defending his people against the Midianites? Why do you choose to judge God out of context, but mankind in context? Are you biased against God?
     
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    Maybe because if God actually was.. a god, it would be reasonable to assume he should be able to wage wars while avoiding collateral damage?
     
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    Do you have an analysis? Obviously you view this in a negative light based on your sarcastic comment, what do you think it means?
     
  8. Logician0311

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    If it were impossible to understand what was being said in the bible, it would be stupid to base a religion on the bible.

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    That's the worst false equivalency fallacy of all time. Congrats!
    Please point out the millions of people who believe Truman was an omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent deity.

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    I don't think it can easily be misinterpreted... It's fairly direct.
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Try, I think you are reading into it. Its all about context.
     
  10. Logician0311

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    So, commanding followers to kill everyone who isn't a young female virgin - and keep those remaining virgins as trophies - can be interpreted as the act of a benevolent deity if put in the right context?

    By all means, please elaborate...
     
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    The Old testament teaches us many realities...one being you can't win a war waged with no collateral damage. It's something we should heed..because while our soldiers are going to the brig for shooting first before being shot, our enemies are fighting to win.
     
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    Moses was the founder of ISIS.
     
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    I'm sorry you are angry.
     
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    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    The development of critical thinking skills and use of logic do not denote emotional states.
    It has been duly noted that your position can only be supported through the use of "appeal to emotion" fallacies.
     
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    Alright. Well, I'm sure you think your plan would have been better.
     
  16. Logician0311

    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    Two questions:
    - What "plan" are you referring to?
    - Better than what... genocide and slavery?

    BTW, "Inductive fallacies" are no more valid that "Appeals to emotion".
     
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    The sexually promiscuous peoples living next door to the Jews were corrupting the young Jewish men and would not stop the whoring around.
    There was no restraint on the sexual mores when the women were making sexual advances that the Jewish guys just could not turn away from.

    So the only reaction that patriarchies like these Jews had was to destroy that sexually promiscuous society and everyone of them which would be enemies thereafter.

    By 32AD, Christ was able to explain that the much larger world would now be changed by using the Truth to eliminate sexual perversity.
    The harm of many bastards and the need for abortions could be seen when people were told to look and see.
    So, instead of physical responses,Jesus recommended The Truth be used, to the ppnt of martyrdom so as to get the attention of the public and change social behavior.

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    Yes, the muslims are patriarchs who still use the force against sexual promiscuity as did Moses.
     
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    Yes.
    Feminism is at work inside the culture.
    The idea that there are "good" palestinian civilians and the bad HAMAS killer terrorists soldiers forgets that 90% of the Civilians voted for HAMAS on the virtue of a program to culturally ride the Jews from earth, not just Israel.

    Until the civilians are killed the same way America won the WWII, bombing Germany and Japan, there will be no end to war.

    Right now the HAMAS is demanding money from the EU and America so it can rebuild all the empty buildings the Jews bombed out.
     
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    "...could not turn away from."...? Really?
    Are you suggesting that human beings are incapable of resisting temptation?

    So, committing genocide and engaging in slavery were "the only reaction"... other than simply keeping their dicks in their pants.

    Are you suggesting that "good" changed?
     
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    This is a great analogy of what I said previously, about wiping out a whole society which has been raised with the idea of acting in a way which threatens one's own existence.
    The Jews were the ONLY sexually prudent peoples on the earth in 1360 BC, when they exodus from Egypt.

    Every neighbor they then lived beside became as possible source of destruction for them, especially as a sexually prudent nation.
    The choice was to watch these neighbors slowly seduce the young men away from Patriarch of Judaism, or fight back as a battle to the end.
     
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    Yes.

    As people multiplied in numbers, the Jews had no other choice than education by teaching others that sexual promiscuity destroys a nation.

    The population in 32AD was enormous and the Roman Empire had the power to overcome the Jews anyway,... as they actually did by 70 AD.

    Jesus explained that only by exposing the Truth right in the face of the people, by means of martyrdoms, could the public see what happens when single mothers raise fatherless bastards and need ever more money/food/drink from the Roman Government.
    Only by social change would the Welfare disappear and violent crimes stop.


    By 380 AD, Emperor Theo I realized that Christ was correct.
    He outlawed paganism, tore down all their temples, or made them into Churches.He forced the harlots and single women into classrooms of Christianity and empowered the "locusts" of agents that cleaned up behaviors on the streets so Rome was sexual prudent thereafter.

    This worked well for 1000 years, until the Renaissance began and the ancient seven headed beast of paganism returned, slowly at first, but finally stood tall in America of 2015 AD.
     
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    Do I have to tell Mr. Logician how far off track his declarative statement is, from the evidence and proof provided directly above? Just a few little holes in that critical thinking here.
     
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    Not much of a god that lets others fight and die.
     
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    First you'd have to clarify what conclusion you are referencing.
     
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    Wait... Is that "Yes, human beings are incapable of resisting temptation."?
    If this is was true, what would be the point of punishing people for succumbing to temptation?

    Clearly they had another choice: genocide.

    What point are you trying to make with this?
     

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