What Was the CDC Thinking? As if Anti-Vaxxers Would Voluntarily Wear Masks to Protect Others.

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  1. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Influenza also has inoculations.
     
  2. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We need to teach the thoughtless Leftists that hospitalizations are far far far far different than cases.
     
  3. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not true.

    We have over 20% with natural immunity and 56% with vaccine immunity. We are at 76% at minimum and done.
     
  4. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I love data. Facts. I love demographics and statistics. Did I mention I love facts?

    Let's us facts to showcase how posts like this are complete and utter partisan BS.

    The OP would have you believe that Republicans, republican stages, and conservatives are creating rises in Covid cases. It's a good boogeyman story. And it pushes a partisan narrative to boot!

    Let's evaluate these "statistics", cough cough, I mean cherry picked fake news to push a political narrative.

    Tennessee has the fastest growing percentage of new cases. A red state right?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wj...rease-in-covid-19-cases-in-over-2-months/amp/


    Ahhh, clearly it's Republicans and antivaxers. Until you realize Shelby County us largest percent growth in the state, also where Memphis is located.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ten...droid-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

    And how did the great people of Memphis and Shelby county vote in the last election? 64% Democrat. 34% republican.

    https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/tennessee/memphis

    But remember, it's all misinformation spread by Republicans.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's only 4 of the 39 peptides.
    Natural immunity targets all 39 peptides.
    And yet, only after being directly asked the question did Psaki admit that the WH has been concealing infections among the fully vaccinated. We only found out because the Texas Lady Democrat Super Spreaders, who claimed to be fully vaccinated, infected WH staff, who claim to be fully vaccinated,and Pelosi staff, that claims to be fully vaccinated.

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    The vaccines claim to be 95% effective. I counted the people in the picture on the plane, there were 19. Six came down ill, that we know of, the Texas Lady Democrat Super Spreaders have since quit reporting additional ill. When you divide 6 by 19 do you get 5%?

    6 Fully Vaccinated Wedding Guests Got COVID, One Died: Study
    [​IMG]https://www.businessinsider.com/ful...ot-covid-after-an-outdoor-wedding-2021-7?op=1
    "Six fully vaccinated people who attended an outdoor wedding in Texas got COVID-19, a new study says."

    Nearly 30 fully vaccinated Louisiana residents have died ...
    [​IMG]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...-residents-have-died-with-covid-19/ar-AALSUBj
    "Nearly 30 people in Louisiana who received full doses of COVID-19 vaccinations have died with the coronavirus, according to the Louisiana Department of Health."

    CDC: 4,115 Fully Vaccinated Have Been Hospitalized Or Died ...
    [​IMG]https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...r-died-with-breakthrough-covid-19-infections/
    "According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there have already been 4,115 reported cases of fully vaccinated people being hospitalized or dying with Covid-19 coronavirus..."

    Fully-Vaccinated Napa Woman Dies of COVID-19 - CBS San ...
    [​IMG]https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/06/07/fully-vaccinated-napa-woman-dies-covid/
    "NAPA (CBS SF) — Napa County has reported its first death from COVID-19 in a fully vaccinated patient, a county spokesperson said Thursday. The woman, a Napa resident, died Wednesday, said Leah Greenbaum, public information officer for Napa County."

    Over a dozen vaccinated doctors dead as Indonesia's virus ...
    [​IMG]https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-dozen-vaccinated-doctors-dead-indonesia.html
    "Over a dozen fully vaccinated doctors have died of COVID-19 in Indonesia, a medical association said Friday, as the Southeast Asian country battles a rash of severe cases in inoculated medical..."

    CDC says 5,800 fully vaccinated people caught Covid-19 ...
    [​IMG]https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/health/breakthrough-infections-covid-vaccines-cdc/index.html
    "Apr 14, 2021So far, 5,800 fully vaccinated people have caught Covid anyway in US, CDC says. By Ben Tinker and Maggie Fox, CNN. Updated 2:06 PM ET, Thu April 15, 2021 . JUST WATCHED"

    Delta Deaths: "Of the 117 deaths, 3 involved people whose vaccine status was unknown, 70 were people who had received at least one dose of the vaccine (61% of the 114 known cases), and 44 were people who had not been vaccinated (39%). Fifty of the deaths (44%) were people who had received both doses. "

    https://assets.publishing.service.g...Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf#page=14

    Death Rates of this group:
    Unvaccinated 39%
    Fully vaccinated 44%
    1/2 vaccinated 61%

    The unvaccinated of this group had the lowest death rates.

    I'd urge you to add some tentativeness to your declarations of "facts" and "knowledge" and your condemnation of those who have chosen to await further information before they risk vaccine injury, especially in light of the following:
    1. The vaccine is unapproved, for the same reasons some are waiting for more information: There is uncertainty about its efficacy and safety.
    2. The vaccine manufactures will not manufacture the vaccine without a congressional grant of immunity, because, they are not certain of its safety and efficacy.
    3. Every "fact" about the vaccine that we think we know now will almost certainly be altered once we compile all this experience.
    4. Either the virus is weakening, or having burned through the elderly, it's hardier individuals now getting infected and/or we have simply gotten better at treating, but, of the active cases in the US today, only 0.1 are "serious".
    5. That is, if you catch COVID today, you have a 99.9% chance that you will not get a serious case.
    6. There is NO indication that vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity and one key bit of information suggests the inverse; COVID is SARS 2. Natural immunity from SARS 1 is still bullet proof in folks who recovered from the disease two decades ago.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/

    Do try to show some respect for your fellow Americans who have looked at the same information you have and given their own personal situation, made a different choice than you did. That used to be a given in this country, but the Left was different then.
     
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    the vaccine is better than natural immunity as it goes after the spike protein, so far all have the same type of spike protein

    and they say if the spike protein changes, the virus may be harmless as that is the keys into the cell
     
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    15 going on zero

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    funny, republicans thought hospitals should have gave seniors a hospital bed even if they showed no symptoms, which is it?

    the right needs to make up their minds, they are all over the board
     
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    Not according to the science. The immunity brought on by the vaccine does not have memory like natural immunity does. That is why you are now hearing about 6 month booster shots. Those with natural immunity derive nothing from getting the shot and avoidance of the shot insures they will not suffer the illness or death from the shot.
     
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    nope, the science says the vaccine is better than natural immunity when it comes to the variants

    even Trump got the vaccine after getting natural immunity
     
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    So ignore the science.
     
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    sadly many Trump supporters are
     
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    You must not read much.
     
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    Johns Hopkins analyzed data from 48,000 children under 18 diagnosed with Covid from April-August 2020 ZERO healthy kids died.

    Not one.
     
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    I've heard about how cats can somehow cause some people to fixate on them, destroying their lives, but the way that Trump dominates the thoughts of some folks on the Left seems very unhealthy. No matter the topic, for some folks, everything is about Trump. Sad!
     
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    I know some people worship Gods, but worshiping Trump?

    The way that Trump dominates the thoughts of some folks on the Right seems very unhealthy. Sad!
     
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    It didn't have anything to do with science. The mask mandates were largely being ignored in most non-urban areas and the trend was increasing in some urban areas. They knew enforcement was going to be impossible with so many people resisting, so they just gave up/gave in and pretended it was their idea so they wouldn't look impotent.
     
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    If Trump didn’t exist your post count, deflections and attempts at derailments would be would be reduced by hundreds, hundreds I say.
     
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    it's not Trump supporters that are least likely to be vaccinated it is minorities Blacks and Hispanics
    you fall for that fake liberal propaganda every time
     
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    Do your worst, government. There aren't enough prison cells for us all.
     
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    it's both, both Trump supporters and minority males think Trump created the vaccine and neither group Trust Trump
     
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    could say the same about you... who would you defend daily if not Trump?

    who would you attack daily if not the left?
     
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    I'll just wait to see what the "experts" say tomorrow...no, the day after....wait, maybe next week....no, no, perhaps next........:spin:
     
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    vaccinated people's immune systems have been trained, each time they go to war with the virus the odds are good they will win

    but sometimes your immune system may not be up to par, not enough sleep, stress, medical reasons, ect....

    the more your exposed, the more wars with the virus your body fights, the higher the odds of someday losing that war

    you get exposed, almost fight it off, get exposed again and again and again and again.....

    still rather be vaccinated and have a fighting chance at winning the war
     
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