When did our Values of "Life and Liberty" become Pro Death instead?

You have no evidence to support that we are accomplishing anything

 

I can hear my nephews smile. That's evidence and sufficient to me. Is that not to you?

 

Yes, suffer for your benefit.

 

That's silliness, not evidence.

 

It's the pure, naked truth. You said we need to either stay in or we're a slave to the corporatist system. Despite that there's more than mere corporatism, but rather the people's will to exercise their right to live in however non-threatening way they wish to live.

Robbing the people of that right, and humiliating America in the process is the current response to the crisis. The Swedes have a different answer. I continue to praise them. A nation of 10 million did what a nation of 330 M was too cowardly to do.

 

I make do, by living my life. People have bills to pay and businesses to operate.

 

Of course. Not yet of course. When the moment arises I can use you, I'll take the shot with every other duck I've aligned up. Creating echoes is fun.

It's proof of life.

 

Then you wish for the death of others while you keep yourself afloat? Smart.

 

Well, we'll have Brazil as a test case for what happens when nothing is shut down and protective measures are not taken.
We have the U.S. as a test case for when some measures are put in place and gradually ramped up - then down.
We have South Korea and New Zealand as test cases where extreme measures were put in place early.

Good to have research for future pandemics since we seem to be cranking them out every ten years or so.

 

In a pre-coronavirus world, the customer you served, contracted a flu and died a few weeks later. Should you close your business?(And yes, we're all made aware that coronavirus is more contagious), but it's not 100% contagious, or we would've died.

The rate of contagion is probably the most important number that we've yet to actually pinpoint: How LIKELY is it for you to be affected? That number will help inform us in this sad debate of capsizing.

 

Because having a life you must live =s "wishing death on others". *facepalm, just facepalm
Have a nice day, you have now resorted to hysterical hyperbole, meaningful conversation got off at the last exit.

 

So kill people? Is that what you're saying? If you want to push the fat man off the bridge that's fine, but you need to be aware you all do is continue the cyclical nature of power.

 

Psst, that's not what I said. Are you going to sacrifice your entire well being for others? No? Then to keep you afloat you have to wish for the death of others so you can stay alive.

 

It will depend on how infectious and how deadly the NEXT pandemic is. If we have an outbreak of an Ebola type virus that
is as infectious as this one is - you can be damn certain that people will be giving up "freedoms" for life.

The problem with new virus pandemics is that's tough to discern just how bad they are going to be in the first month. We didn't
know if this would be confined to death rate of .5% of those infected, or the 3% that they're seeing in Brazil right now.

Humans have always feared the unknown more than the known. It's part of our self-preservation instincts.
So now, as we learn more about the disease, we can see better what needed to be shut down, and what could continue to
operate. Nobody is going to argue that cruise ships and night clubs should have stayed open. In the future, we might be able to
implement social distancing in 24 hrs, rather than weeks. Consider this a test run for future pandemics.

 

Agreed on that hypothetical. But from what I read from Ebola, you need to be A: REALLY close to them and B: You'll know, oh you'll know if someone is affected. One of the dilemmas that this new virus has presented, which I haven't ignored is the asymptomatic factor. We just don't know who has it, or who doesn't.

At the same time, the assumption that "everyone" has it, is a flawed premise as well. Acting on flawed premises, tends to the results and debates that we're having.

You're right, that more information will help us for the second wave. Where I'm coming from, is that a value is too valuable to just throw away. If we can implement measures to alter our lives, rather than capitulate on what we believe, that would be better. I'm willing to change things, I'm not willing to throw away what we as a country believe, or what we as individuals believe.

 

What absurd stupidity.

 

It's Susan Wolf's Moral Sainthood with the added touch of Peter Singer.

 

Giggles.

 

Dig a dying hole.
Life is much to scary

 

No. Life is great. That's why I don't go around looking for snakes to step on.

 

Although I have not seen any meat shortages here in So CA, I have noticed that real meat is selling out faster than the non-meat alternatives. I wonder why? It could be because the price of real meat is still lower than the meatless product.

 

Sounds like you're the embodiment of of an ideologue. Quite sad.

 

I take great pride in that, thank you. What's sadder is a sack of meat called a "human being" with no values at all, or if he/she did have values, he/she decided to discard them at the first opportunity. These people have no right to tell others how to live their lives, and they have even less qualifications to govern over the masses.

2022 is going to be very interesting.

 

they're everywhere.
Dying hole is safe.

 

We have people being arrested for taking kids to parks. That bridge already left. And I'm not saying "kill people", I'm saying that mother nature has a very nasty way of living with us humans. We've just gotta deal.