When did our Values of "Life and Liberty" become Pro Death instead?

And we have kids going hungry and home insecure prior to this.

 

Tragic, and I'd love to have policies to deal with homelessness and poverty. But no such policy matters until we consciously wake up this country that A: This cowardice isn't keeping us safe, and B: It's pathetic to our nature as a country.

 

And why were they homeless and food insecure? Because American ideals.

 

A gross generalization that doesn't deal with each individual case, let alone the whole of the sum of its parts. Policy cannot be instituted that way. And that actually sums up our coronavirus response in a nutshell.

 

So policy about letting people die in a pandemic can't be explained on a group level and we need to look at individuals instead? Yeah okay, that's a terrible unit of analysis when we know diseases spread regardless of individuals.

 

How does the virus spread? Person-by-person. What would be most crucial? Finding out who has them. When we had these lockdowns in place, that was the opportunity to start testing and isolating. But no, we were told to only come if you had symptoms(ROFL)

The scientific community gave us 'advice', opposite of what the science told them and we're now all paying the price. So, yeah, screw them. Advice from them is like advice from a third rate investment firm. Now, it's time to use empirical evidence to make real-time, sound based decisions like a government should.

 

Stuff it in Election 2020 panic. That's where it belongs. We know your right time to open the economy is November 4 2020 ,,, because that's how you think. Gallup NM has 2 hospitals, one with fewer than 30 staffed beds and one with fewer than 80 staffed beds that generates $0 revenue because it serves the Navajos. Over 44% of gallup are native Americans and around 30% are Mexicans. NM has 3000 beds, 1000 are in Albuquerque. They are unique in that sense. I couldn't pick a less appropriate example to keep the country closed until after the election if I worked hard at it. Kudos to you.

 

A very subjective observation. Simply because someone does not share your values it doesn't mean that they have none, or have abandoned them.

 

So, are we or are we not a democracy? Let's start there.

 

Good for them. Thank the lockdown.

 

No, we should stay locked down until testing can tell us which areas have a greater number of cases and the hospitals have the equipment to handle them. That is, as I understand it, the real reason for "flattening the curve", to keep the hospitals from becoming overwhelmed and unable to treat people and so save their lives. This is what happened in Italy, where thousands died who very well might have been saved because the hospitals simply could not handle them all. The reportage said that people were dying alone and unattended, unable even to leave goodbye messages for their relatives who couldn't visit them.

And this is my main problem with Trump. Instead of just getting this equipment and these tests he goes on about how we should blame the Chinese and defunds the WHO. We can deal with the Chinese and the WHO at our leisure once the crisis is over. Right now people are dying.

 

Open it up.

 

I think we have yet to see if the Trump shutdown was innefective

but I agree, states that had low numbers did not benefit at all, unless a cure or vaccine is discovered soon

the goal was to spread the curve out over time, not prevent "any" cases from happening which many states did

I think a slow open is good, but Trump acting like this is the end of it, I do not think that makes him look good as it will probably rise again and some places will have to put restrictions back in place as their medical system is overloaded

 

Actually you only got tested if you had a connection overseas or a known person with the disease, no one could get tested early on without meeting that criteria, even though Trump said anyone that wanted a test could get a test

so your right, without those people knowing they had it, they may have been spreading it unknowingly

Trump told us early on that the testing was as perfect as his phone call... and I think I see the similarities

 

The bad news then is that we're still behind(and so is every country on earth.)
The good news then, is that we're behind.

In other words, as tests become more widespread, more "cases" will be found(it's actually better to say at this point we'll find more people with traces of the virus.) But how many people have become "dormant" and can no longer spread the disease?

In the ideal world, this should have been our first focus. Gathering information, THEN we can make decisions. Not make it up as you go and we'll figure it out later.

 

What you are advocating is corporate slavery which means that corporations are forcing you to work in spite of the dire risk to your life.

In essence corporations are depriving you of your right to life and you support this which makes you pro death in this instance.

 

I could wake up at 9 am in the morning, eat a bagel, have a newspaper in my hand walk across the street having looked both ways but a car was speeding and BAM. You risk your life in public *every...single...day*. Some risks are greater than others, but the risks of COVID-19 infection, relative to the benefits of being economically productive(even if with different settings and rules) doesn't match up.

People turned to the lab coats when we knew nothing(and it turns out they knew nothing either.) Now, thanks to researchers who decided to TRY and learn, we now have information to plot a different course of attack(namely Sweden's model) and we can start living our lives as we should: Free People.

 

We always put a certain value on people lives. Every large construction project before it begins estimates how many people will be killed and injured in completing it and how this impacts insurance rates. Every military operation we undertake has estimates of how many will be killed and injured and politicians (and some military personnel) decide whether such an operation will be "worth it" in terms of dead and injured.

Right now it is quickly coming down to the spread of a virus that almost never kills anyone (3% fatalities for those who actually get the virus, NOT 3% of the total number exposed) as opposed to crush an economy that serves more than a third of a billion people (and hundreds of millions of non Americans world wide). Poverty kills. I don't think we have a right to condemn millions upon millions to earlier deaths (and a crushing loss of standard of living) just to save the lives of a couple of hundred thousand today. Many of whom are going to die anyway (like nursing home residents).

 

Here, read this thread to the end and then get back to us.

https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/1257057870136242176

Here is just one example from that thread;

 

So you think there are fewer Medical resources in Gallup than any other rural community? I doubt that but maybe you can support your statement.

Oh and BTW, McKinley county has almost a 3rd of all Covid cases in New Mexico despite only having ~3% of the total state population. Spin that away smart guy.